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To think that being told to make my work emails more “flowery” is ridiculous?

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BoldBrickDreamer · 03/03/2025 22:21

I was recently given feedback that my work emails should be more “flowery” and “softer.” Apparently, I come across as too direct, even though I’m always polite and professional.

I don’t see the issue - why should I have to add unnecessary fluff just to get my point across? Surely being clear and to the point is more efficient?

AIBU to think this is just another way of policing how people (especially women) communicate in the workplace? Or is there actually value in making emails sound a bit more “gentle?”

OP posts:
pelargoniums · 04/03/2025 13:28

You can add fluff without compromising clarity. There are some bad examples on this thread that bury the info – deadlines, actions – in paragraphs of fluff. Just consider the fluff as a format and use it the way you would bold a header (if you don’t have a template set up!) or in the olden days, frank a letter – tiny, repetitive but necessary actions. It doesn’t have to be exhausting. So:

Subject line: Actions & deadlines from today’s Novelty Marshmallow meeting

Hi Team Marshmallow [fluff]

Happy pancake day! Let’s flip to the point [fluff] – here are the agreed actions and tasks from today’s Novelty Marshmallow meeting. [content]

Please add all relevant dates to diaries and notify me asap if a clash, snafu or roadblock comes up. [content but with a side of fluff with the word snafu]

Belinda
Action: research and write report on vegan food colourings
Deadline: 1 April
• Format of last year’s report [linked for reference]

Bob
Action: visit the marshmallow factory and do a taste testing (lucky!) [teeny tiny fluff because you know Bob likes fluff. No fluff for Belinda because she likes a succinct email]
• Deadline: 1 April
• Please liaise with Brenda (not in attendance today but CC’d) for more info on the visit and the outcomes we need

Beatrice
Action: source samples of sprinkles
Deadline: 5 May
• Samples can sit in the Wonka test room for now, please contact Charlie (CC’d) if you don’t know the process for this

Hope this is all clear. [fluff, it’s obviously clear] I’m on annual leave on [dates] but will pick up on my return.

Thanks, all! [fluff]

Then you just send a variation on that – adapted to your workplace, I project manage but in quite fluffy industries (fashion, lifestyle, food, places with air kisses and kisses on emails); I’ve dialled down the tone in some other workplaces.

My opening fluff is 8 words (plus greeting) then it’s straight to business, but it works – even though it’s grating, it’s nothing anyone can object to (except privately cursing me on a Teams chat, maybe), it fluffs those who want to be fluffed, it says “pelargoniums is approachable so I can tell her I fucked up in the meeting and didn’t notice I can’t do the factory visit”. Those opening fluff words can be anything – “May the fourth be with you, Star Wars fans.” “It’s Halloween, have a 🦇 emoji.” Short, snappy, jumps the flowery communication style hoops without jeopardising the point of the email. I avoid “Hope you had a nice weekend” because it’s boring, insincere, and maybe everyone had a shit weekend. Weekends are also personal and the key to fluff is – unless as with Bob who you know is happy to talk about kittens at work and jokes about his cushty role doing taste testings – keep it blandly corporate.

wherearemypastnames · 04/03/2025 13:44

"Flowery"

I'd have blown my top

Or more professionally - we just have different styles but I don't see that as compromising the quality and effectiveness of my work

Or passive aggressive- I'll send a few mails for you, would can add the flower and send them on for me till I understand

BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 14:06

CorsicaDreaming · 04/03/2025 09:15

@BoldBrickDreamer

"I’d say something like “Could you take a look at this when you get a chance? Thanks!” Still polite, just not overly flowery."

Despite what I posted above, that sounds totally fine to me OP... perils of not RTFT before posting...

Are you sure there isn't one email exchange with one colleague where you might have been more brusque and they've made an informal complaint to the boss who spoke to you?

No one has mentioned any specific email that was an issue, and I haven’t changed how I communicate, so it’s hard to know what exactly triggered this feedback. If it was just about making things clearer or more professional, I’d be open to that, but ‘flowery’ just seems like a strange way to frame it.

OP posts:
BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 14:14

vitahelp · 04/03/2025 09:23

Are the emails just internal to colleague or to customers? There is a big difference if they are customer emails.

These are internal emails to colleagues, not customer-facing ones. I understand the need for a different tone when dealing with clients, but for internal communication, I don’t see why emails need to be padded out with unnecessary pleasantries.

OP posts:
Cattreesea · 04/03/2025 14:20

'@Katrinawaves
It’s really not.
im a senior (female) manager and have had to pull two relatively senior male direct reports up on their blunt (aka rude) style following complaints from senior (male) colleagues about them.
A few years ago I worked with a senior male manager who made a point of reviewing all his own emails for tone before he sent them and modelled this to his entire team. It’s a thing!'

You are missing the point.

There is no concrete examples of the OP having been 'rude' to anyone.

Instead she is receiving some vague, wooly, poorly worded feedback about being more 'flowery' in her communications.

I am a senior manager too and if I give feedback to anyone it is actually given based on specific examples and with practical advice on how the person can improve.

The fact that the manager has not be able to produce any evidence to back their claim makes it likely that:

  • this manager does not have a clue of how to give constructive feedback
  • the fact that the OP is a woman is a factor.
Ddakji · 04/03/2025 14:21

pelargoniums · 04/03/2025 13:28

You can add fluff without compromising clarity. There are some bad examples on this thread that bury the info – deadlines, actions – in paragraphs of fluff. Just consider the fluff as a format and use it the way you would bold a header (if you don’t have a template set up!) or in the olden days, frank a letter – tiny, repetitive but necessary actions. It doesn’t have to be exhausting. So:

Subject line: Actions & deadlines from today’s Novelty Marshmallow meeting

Hi Team Marshmallow [fluff]

Happy pancake day! Let’s flip to the point [fluff] – here are the agreed actions and tasks from today’s Novelty Marshmallow meeting. [content]

Please add all relevant dates to diaries and notify me asap if a clash, snafu or roadblock comes up. [content but with a side of fluff with the word snafu]

Belinda
Action: research and write report on vegan food colourings
Deadline: 1 April
• Format of last year’s report [linked for reference]

Bob
Action: visit the marshmallow factory and do a taste testing (lucky!) [teeny tiny fluff because you know Bob likes fluff. No fluff for Belinda because she likes a succinct email]
• Deadline: 1 April
• Please liaise with Brenda (not in attendance today but CC’d) for more info on the visit and the outcomes we need

Beatrice
Action: source samples of sprinkles
Deadline: 5 May
• Samples can sit in the Wonka test room for now, please contact Charlie (CC’d) if you don’t know the process for this

Hope this is all clear. [fluff, it’s obviously clear] I’m on annual leave on [dates] but will pick up on my return.

Thanks, all! [fluff]

Then you just send a variation on that – adapted to your workplace, I project manage but in quite fluffy industries (fashion, lifestyle, food, places with air kisses and kisses on emails); I’ve dialled down the tone in some other workplaces.

My opening fluff is 8 words (plus greeting) then it’s straight to business, but it works – even though it’s grating, it’s nothing anyone can object to (except privately cursing me on a Teams chat, maybe), it fluffs those who want to be fluffed, it says “pelargoniums is approachable so I can tell her I fucked up in the meeting and didn’t notice I can’t do the factory visit”. Those opening fluff words can be anything – “May the fourth be with you, Star Wars fans.” “It’s Halloween, have a 🦇 emoji.” Short, snappy, jumps the flowery communication style hoops without jeopardising the point of the email. I avoid “Hope you had a nice weekend” because it’s boring, insincere, and maybe everyone had a shit weekend. Weekends are also personal and the key to fluff is – unless as with Bob who you know is happy to talk about kittens at work and jokes about his cushty role doing taste testings – keep it blandly corporate.

Have you ever read The Appeal? This reminds me very much of a particular character’s email style, which is meant to be overly ingratiating and fluffy, and desperate to be in with the in crowd.

Possibly having read The Appeal is part of why I hate fluffy emails.

HoneyHoneyBee · 04/03/2025 14:28

Could you be neurodivergent? Are you a naturally direct person who dislikes small talk and says things straight to the point? No fluff?

GuevarasBeret · 04/03/2025 14:32

wherearemypastnames · 04/03/2025 13:44

"Flowery"

I'd have blown my top

Or more professionally - we just have different styles but I don't see that as compromising the quality and effectiveness of my work

Or passive aggressive- I'll send a few mails for you, would can add the flower and send them on for me till I understand

I appreciate you don’t see it as compromising the quality or effectiveness of your work, nonetheless, i, as your boss am confirming to you that you are compromising the quality and effectiveness of my team. Are we on the same page now?

How should I explain to someone hide skinned that actually- there is a problem here?

storminabuttercup · 04/03/2025 14:34

I had this

SM took issue that I'd not hoped she'd had a lovely weekend

My email was something like

'Hi SM
Please find attached the file you asked for last week, it's now been updated, if you have any questions please let me know
Thanks Storm'

I was baffled

No she won't have asked the men to be more flowery

NC10125 · 04/03/2025 14:34

BoldBrickDreamer · 03/03/2025 23:05

I get what you’re saying and I do adapt somewhat to the general tone of the office. My colleagues do tend to add things like “Hope you’re well/Have a great weekend” and I don’t have an issue with that. But the feedback I got specifically said my emails should be more ‘flowery’ and ‘softer,’ which feels like a step beyond just being polite - it feels like style policing. I’m always professional and courteous, I just don’t see why I need to add extra fluff to get my point across.

I think that this is the crucial bit.

If someone has sent you an email asking how you are, wishing you a great weekend, asking what you got up to etc. Then they're expecting a response to match that. "Lovely weekend thanks - so nice to see the sun! How was yours?" etc. And they're also expecting you to sometime be the person starting that conversation. This isn't fluff to the other person, its courtesy.

If you aren't doing that it will be coming across as rude or unfriendly even though you aren't meaning it to. It's not that you're doing anything wrong - in a different office your tone would be perfect - its that your tone isn't matching the rest of the office. Unless you're senior enough to reasonably expect to have a hand in changing office culture, I do think that it'll make your working life easier if you match the tone of your colleagues.

I do think that the person who has given you this feedback hasn't been clear. "Flowery" is a poor choice to describe the above, and comes with a host of very feminised expectations. They should have sat you down with some examples of your emails and "house tone" emails and asked you to look at the differece.

Waterlilysunset · 04/03/2025 14:35

One of the key things we interview for is a skill where people know how to adapt their tone to the situation. It’s really important as part of relationship building with key stakeholders

BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 14:35

User860131 · 04/03/2025 09:36

I think there's direct but showing genuine empathy and collaborative working or direct but abrupt. Eg 'Hiya, sorry I know you're busy but it's really important these documents get looked at asap. Could you take a look and let me know what you think later? Thanks' is direct but treating the recipient like a human being. 'Need these documents looking at asap. Make it a priority and we need a meeting about them later' is much more abrupt amd transactional. 'Flowery' I'd regard as 'Hi sweetie. Hope you're well. How's your neighbour's budgie? If it's not too much trouble I'd quite like to get these documents sorted today. Would you mind taking a look and maybe we can grab a coffee later and catch up about them?' This is uneccessary and unrealistic, waffly and a bit irritating for both parties to be doing with every colleague IMO. Which is your manager expecting? The first I'd say is fairly reasonable. The latter not so much.

I would say either way though that in most workplaces it's quite important that you do try and make a bit of small talk with your colleagues and get to know them a bit as individuals. You don't need to be best buddies but you are a team afterall and generally if you get to know each other as human beings you will treat each other as human beings and this really is important for wellbeing. It's part of working in most environments. How do you think your colleagues find you irl? Is it just the emails that they're taking issue with?

Edited

I completely agree that there’s a difference between being direct but respectful and being outright abrupt. My emails are definitely more like your first example - polite and to the point - but not cold or robotic. I think there’s a balance between basic professionalism and unnecessary fluff, and I don’t see why internal emails need to be padded out with excessive small talk. I do engage with my colleagues in person, so it’s not like I’m avoiding building relationships altogether - it’s just that I don’t see email as the place for it.

OP posts:
wherearemypastnames · 04/03/2025 14:40

Please confirm you don't work in a garden centre

BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 14:46

Agapornis · 04/03/2025 09:43

Do you have a good enough relationship with your line manager that you can bring this up? They might well say 'oh ignore her, your emails are fine, every now and then she picks on someone'.

That said I hate 'hope you're well/had a nice weekend, how are you, how is the family' nonsense, such a waste of time, and it feels unprofessional to me. It's email, not a chat in the kitchen.

And yes, I agree it's a sexist thing. Men are not expected to do this. Language analysis of women v men in the workplace is interesting. Women tend to be extra flowery, use 'just' a lot (could you just...), apologising for asking people to do their job, adding extra emojis and exclamation marks. Anything to come across as friendly.

Amusingly I share an email inbox with a gay man, we analyse our emails before sending to see whether we need to make them sound more like a straight man 😁

I do have a good relationship with my manager, but I also don’t want to make a big deal out of something if it’s just one person’s preference. I completely agree that there’s a gendered element to this - women are often expected to soften their communication in a way men aren’t.

It’s also interesting that you and your colleague do that! Really highlights how much workplace communication is about perception rather than just getting things done efficiently.

OP posts:
vitahelp · 04/03/2025 15:02

BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 14:14

These are internal emails to colleagues, not customer-facing ones. I understand the need for a different tone when dealing with clients, but for internal communication, I don’t see why emails need to be padded out with unnecessary pleasantries.

In that case I agree with you. I wouldn’t flower up emails to colleagues either.

BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 15:06

PandaTime · 04/03/2025 09:53

As you are all senior, if your tone comes across as authorotive, it might be wind some people up. The atmosphere you create and the impression you give is important when you work in a team. You say theirs aren't flowery either, but are theirs generally more friendly/softer than yours?

That’s a fair point. I don’t think my emails come across as overly authoritative, but I can see how tone can be interpreted differently by different people. I’ll have to pay closer attention to how my colleagues phrase things - maybe there’s a subtle difference that I haven’t noticed. That said, I do think there’s a balance between being approachable and adding unnecessary fluff, and I don’t want to overcorrect in a way that feels unnatural.

OP posts:
LookingAtMyBhunas · 04/03/2025 15:08

Gustavo77 · 03/03/2025 22:24

Being pleasant and not blunt is definitely preferable to being "polite and professional" Your last paragraph speaks volumes about your approach to things. I'm glad you've been given this feedback, it sounds like it is much needed.

The fuck are you on about 😂
Her post is fine!

OP I guarantee this wouldn't be raised if you were a man.

BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 15:26

dizzydizzydizzy · 04/03/2025 10:29

Any chance you could be autistic, OP? (I am) Do people sometimes tell you that you are blunt or very good at finding the nub of the argument?

In work emails, neurotypical people will add lots of filler words and phrases such as "it's just my opinion, but.." an autistic person is more likely to go straight to the point

Your example email sounded polite and concise.

I don’t think that’s the case but I do prefer being clear and to the point. I make sure to be polite but I don’t tend to add unnecessary filler. It’s interesting how different workplaces and people interpret email tone though.

OP posts:
Samung · 04/03/2025 15:36

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 04/03/2025 10:40

I’m laughing at how much discussion this has generated!

if it was up to me, I wouldn’t even put “Dear/Hi xxx” or anything with my name at the bottom because in an email, it’s bloody obvious who it’s to and from … that’s what the To and Cc/Bcc fields are for! Writing it in the body is just a hangover from written letters.
But of course I don’t because I recognise others wouldn’t like it. But I still see it as a total waste of time and effort and it costs me a lot of emotional energy to have to add in even that kind of thing. So we are all different and it’s worth remembering that there are quite a few of us like me. We matter just as much as the overly flowery and polite tribe. I’m at work to work not to waste time chatting - not to mention that I have a very heavy workload and an expensive and scarce skill set.

Yes, that's exactly how I feel about it too.

ShockedandStunnedRepeatedly · 04/03/2025 15:43

NC10125 · 04/03/2025 14:34

I think that this is the crucial bit.

If someone has sent you an email asking how you are, wishing you a great weekend, asking what you got up to etc. Then they're expecting a response to match that. "Lovely weekend thanks - so nice to see the sun! How was yours?" etc. And they're also expecting you to sometime be the person starting that conversation. This isn't fluff to the other person, its courtesy.

If you aren't doing that it will be coming across as rude or unfriendly even though you aren't meaning it to. It's not that you're doing anything wrong - in a different office your tone would be perfect - its that your tone isn't matching the rest of the office. Unless you're senior enough to reasonably expect to have a hand in changing office culture, I do think that it'll make your working life easier if you match the tone of your colleagues.

I do think that the person who has given you this feedback hasn't been clear. "Flowery" is a poor choice to describe the above, and comes with a host of very feminised expectations. They should have sat you down with some examples of your emails and "house tone" emails and asked you to look at the differece.

I’m sorry , but talking about the weather is not what people are paid to do. That’s a leisure activity.

BoldBrickDreamer · 04/03/2025 15:57

HoneyHoneyBee · 04/03/2025 14:28

Could you be neurodivergent? Are you a naturally direct person who dislikes small talk and says things straight to the point? No fluff?

I don’t think so, but I do prefer being direct and to the point. I’ve always felt that small talk and unnecessary fluff can sometimes slow things down, so I tend to keep my communication focused and efficient. I always make sure to be polite though. It’s just my style.

OP posts:
pelargoniums · 04/03/2025 16:12

Ddakji · 04/03/2025 14:21

Have you ever read The Appeal? This reminds me very much of a particular character’s email style, which is meant to be overly ingratiating and fluffy, and desperate to be in with the in crowd.

Possibly having read The Appeal is part of why I hate fluffy emails.

No but I’ll look into it!

It’s not to everyone’s taste (it’s not mine, really; I’m far ruder outside work) but it works brilliantly in my particular industries and sectors. Like I said, I wouldn’t use it in some workplaces. But for the fluff-brained fashion crowd the bullets cut through the noise and the emojis appeal! 💃🏻

TheCatterall · 04/03/2025 17:19

@BoldBrickDreamer pop a few of your standard email responses in chat gtp or other AI (Claude, Gemini etc) and ask it to analyse your voice, tone and type of writing.

RogersOrganismicProcess · 04/03/2025 17:26

There is a magic balance to strike between warmth and competency. Get it right and you come off as charismatic, trustworthy, dependable, knowledgeable and approachable.

Too much of the warmth without the competency and you come off as lovely but less knowledgeable/skilled/dependable.

Too much of the competency without the warmth and you come off as intelligent and skilled but cold, unapproachable and judgmental.

Both incompetent and cold is a recipe for disaster!

If you are being asked to be more ‘flowery’ you are in essence being asked to dial
up the warmth. It may be that your boss is privy to feedback, or an overarching perspective on the team, that you are not privy to.

Do you have a fear about giving it a go?

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 04/03/2025 17:27

@BoldBrickDreamer couldnt be doing with all that faff!! an email should be succinct and to the point. you are too busy to write "flowery" emails to anyone, evey the bosses!