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The tide is turning on Trump

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ImmediateReaction · 03/03/2025 17:30

  1. CNN now, poll shows majority of Americans disapprove of Trump.
  1. Commentator stated that Trump spoke about his several conversations with Putin and alarm bells ring, because Trump is parroting what Putin says. No independent thoughts?
  1. He comes over as having memory problems. He forgets what he said earlier.
  1. He needs help running press conferences and appears unable to manage without support.

Is he ill?

It's very odd.

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Serpentstooth · 06/03/2025 12:45

As far as I know, the USA runs on coffee. It doesn't grow any, not one bean, it all has to arrive from outside the USA. Perhaps they'll take up tea although that already has unfortunate historical associations and has to be imported as well. Dear me.

Crikeyalmighty · 06/03/2025 12:52

@Mervyco problem is with the wasting of state dollars-,many may well have agreed with this but oops not when it kills their job stone dead- not 'that' kind of waste -

trivialMorning · 06/03/2025 12:52

USA does grow some coffee in Hawaii.

I only know this as seen some of US left point out that right saying we can grow more coffee just isn't really feasible while technically correct and the price tends to be higher than current imported.

GasPanic · 06/03/2025 12:59

CaveMum · 06/03/2025 12:08

@GasPanic I agree that Europe should have been paying attention during Trump 1.0 - I would argue that we should have been taking things more seriously at least 15 years ago in the run up to the invasion of Crimea.

But the point remains that the US has actively encouraged the current position as it was convenient for their own ends - spending with US based defence companies and influence within foreign governments.

I live close to two US Air Force bases in the UK. It is convenient for the US to have these facilities, lets not try to convince ourselves that they are here simply by the benevolence of the US government.

Maybe the US is adopting the position it is now because it is convenient for its own ends.

Charity comes at a price. If you are willing to outsource your defence to some other party then there are risks associated with that if and when the charity stops/the status quo ends.

Maybe if the NATO countries had responded during Trumps first term to his requests on more defence spending we wouldn't be in the position we are now.

US help has always come at a price and has always been offered somewhat reluctantly and many would argue rightly so. See WW2 for an example.

Europe has had the option (and warning) to step up and has failed to do so. Now it has very little choice in the matter.

FeetLikeFlippers · 06/03/2025 12:59

KnickerlessParsons · 03/03/2025 18:32

Is there any mechanism in the US for ousting an unpopular president?

Same way they deal with everything - shoot the bugger!

YankTank · 06/03/2025 13:35

Serpentstooth · 06/03/2025 12:45

As far as I know, the USA runs on coffee. It doesn't grow any, not one bean, it all has to arrive from outside the USA. Perhaps they'll take up tea although that already has unfortunate historical associations and has to be imported as well. Dear me.

Trump already gave his answer for this when he was threatening Colombia for not taking that plane full of deportees—everyone can switch to French Roast. 🤦‍♀️ You know…those famous coffee beans grown in France. 🤣

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/03/2025 14:09

Serpentstooth · 06/03/2025 12:45

As far as I know, the USA runs on coffee. It doesn't grow any, not one bean, it all has to arrive from outside the USA. Perhaps they'll take up tea although that already has unfortunate historical associations and has to be imported as well. Dear me.

I thought they were friends with Guatemala?

At the speed things are moving I might have missed something though.

CharlotteCChapel · 06/03/2025 14:19

KnickerlessParsons · 03/03/2025 18:32

Is there any mechanism in the US for ousting an unpopular president?

Yes there's amendment 25 (I'm fairly sure) to the constitution.

CaveMum · 06/03/2025 14:22

CharlotteCChapel · 06/03/2025 14:19

Yes there's amendment 25 (I'm fairly sure) to the constitution.

The problem with the 25th Amendment is that the VP (in this case Vance) automatically becomes President and serves out the remainder of the term.

As a poster on another thread said: Trump is evil but stupid; Vance is evil but smart. I don't think President Vance would be an improvement on the current situation and in a lot of ways could be a whole lot worse.

trivialMorning · 06/03/2025 14:22

Apparently Puerto Rico, and California as well as Hawaii can and do also grow coffee - the USA oligarchy will be fine then even if the prices hike up so clearly that's why they are not worried.

Serpentstooth · 06/03/2025 14:46

Oh I'm disappointed. I was hoping a coffee famine, combined with the egg shortage, was a fairly sure way of bringing about a game changer, a Breakfast Revolt - no pancakes, no eggs, no coffee. Sad. Guess they're stuck with their elected mafia for now then.

AutumnCrowRoyale · 06/03/2025 15:07

I'm old enough to remember 'There's a bear in the woods' (Reagan campaign 1984), and 'you can see Russia from Alaska' (Sarah Palin). I also spent time at Greenham Common peace camp protesting the cruise missiles at the USAF base.

I went to a public lecture at Newcastle University soon after Greenham, given by a visiting US general. It was about the strategic importance to the US of its maintaining military bases in the UK, Europe, Turkey, the Middle East and the Pacific in perpetuity, and how the financial cost to the US was a great investment in its world standing as the trusted leader of the free world and stable global trade giant.

It's a funny old world.

nearlylovemyusername · 06/03/2025 15:31

But this withdrawal of defence support means no "soft power" anymore, means we don't have to play nicely with Silicone Valley &Co and can tax them as we see fit?
Whilst it's very very difficult, I'm sure there are some clever minds that can find a way to tax based on transaction, not what they report as profit made in a specific country? Can you imagine we could tackle this? we could reduce taxes and increase spending on both services and defence, just look at size of these:
How big is the stock market’s America bubble?

The tide is turning on Trump
GasPanic · 06/03/2025 16:36

AutumnCrowRoyale · 06/03/2025 15:07

I'm old enough to remember 'There's a bear in the woods' (Reagan campaign 1984), and 'you can see Russia from Alaska' (Sarah Palin). I also spent time at Greenham Common peace camp protesting the cruise missiles at the USAF base.

I went to a public lecture at Newcastle University soon after Greenham, given by a visiting US general. It was about the strategic importance to the US of its maintaining military bases in the UK, Europe, Turkey, the Middle East and the Pacific in perpetuity, and how the financial cost to the US was a great investment in its world standing as the trusted leader of the free world and stable global trade giant.

It's a funny old world.

The irony being of course is at that time no one wanted the American missiles because they were scared it would kick off world war 3.

Now everyone wants the American missiles because they are scared that if they don't provide them it will kick off world war 3.

sleepwouldbenice · 06/03/2025 17:01

nearlylovemyusername · 06/03/2025 15:31

But this withdrawal of defence support means no "soft power" anymore, means we don't have to play nicely with Silicone Valley &Co and can tax them as we see fit?
Whilst it's very very difficult, I'm sure there are some clever minds that can find a way to tax based on transaction, not what they report as profit made in a specific country? Can you imagine we could tackle this? we could reduce taxes and increase spending on both services and defence, just look at size of these:
How big is the stock market’s America bubble?

Totally agree
I mean they cost a fortune in regulation and policing, not to mention their lack of action on fraud, child and sex abuse etc etc. All for it

sleepwouldbenice · 06/03/2025 17:02

Seems to have made a bigly mistake with tariffs. Funny that. He's so very good at the deals I hear

AllTheTreesOfTheField · 06/03/2025 17:56

Tariffs
Pause tariffs
Tariffs
Pause tariffs - but for Mexico only

You put your tariff in, your tariff out
In out in out you shake it all about
You do the Trumpy jokey
And you turn around.......

ProfessorLayton1 · 06/03/2025 20:19

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Jacquettes · 07/03/2025 05:39

Imo, Fox News is talking to the right —> far right.

I don’t think it’s talking to the Old Republican right much at all.

Serpentstooth · 07/03/2025 07:39

Given Bigly's business record, with its many bankruptcies and adding in his current behaviour, how long will it take to bankrupt USA? Can a country be bankrupt?

YankTank · 07/03/2025 07:44

Serpentstooth · 07/03/2025 07:39

Given Bigly's business record, with its many bankruptcies and adding in his current behaviour, how long will it take to bankrupt USA? Can a country be bankrupt?

Yes, a country can go bankrupt—a few EU countries nearly did in 2009, which threatened to bring down all of the other countries using the Euro as their currency.

The US can go bankrupt if all of the bonds they’ve sold (mostly to China, BTW) come due and they can’t pay up.

Serpentstooth · 07/03/2025 08:13

Thank you, I'd forgotten that. Yes, Greece, I recall now. I reckon Elon, like his latest space adventure, will blow up first. Poor Americans, I feel for you.

Kendodd · 07/03/2025 08:46

Is there any more recent polling? I wouldn't be surprised at all if his popularity has actually gone up in America on the back of his recent actions.

newnamesix · 07/03/2025 08:55

Kendodd · 07/03/2025 08:46

Is there any more recent polling? I wouldn't be surprised at all if his popularity has actually gone up in America on the back of his recent actions.

It hasn't gone up, but it's also not going down nearly as precipitously as it should be. Look quickly, I think ABC is shuttering 538 at some point today.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/approval/donald-trump/

The tide is turning on Trump
Isabellivi · 07/03/2025 21:44

CNN is a dying legacy media. Most Americans don’t get their news from CNN, which has a sordid history as being a mouth piece of the military industrial complex and CIA war mongering,

I didn’t vote for Trump but you need to get your news from actually journalists. CNN is not reputable.

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