The tide is turning on Trump

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1. CNN now, poll shows majority of Americans disapprove of Trump.

1. Commentator stated that Trump spoke about his several conversations with Putin and alarm bells ring, because Trump is parroting what Putin says. No independent thoughts?

1. He comes over as having memory problems. He forgets what he said earlier.

1. He needs help running press conferences and appears unable to manage without support.

Is he ill?

It's very odd.

I find it disconcerting when people voice this opinion without an example.

Don’t worry. I think I found a very obvious one. 👍m

10 mumsnetters might have broadly the same outlook, but there will be nuances and shadings of difference. They would also be arguing really for the sake of it. Within that you might get some misinformation but it's likely to be incidental.

Paid influencers will repeat essentially the exact same thing over and over with an end goal in mind. It is very often disinformation intended to result in a targeted outcome, of which the recipient is unaware, and tailored to repetition on social media. The illusory truth effect is based on the understanding that the more the same information is repeated the more believable it becomes to the recipient.

They are not the same thing.

Agree, it's obvious isn't it ?
If a MN'er is corrected with reliable information and quoted the truth, almost all of them take this on board especially in the politics forum.
Bots or paid influencers are obvious to us, they keep harping on about the same thing and their intention is clearly obvious - to spread misinformation and cause confusion! Most often the posts are provocative and often by new posters !!
Do you think we can all be fooled !!!

Garbage

You can always tell when someone is ignorant about politics and reality, when they come out with something like this.

Late to the party - apologies for repetition of points covered.

I agree whoever commented on Biden. This has been disgraceful in terms of what impact that would have had in the minds of voters.

This guy is akin to a corpse that is dug up at sunset, reanimated by a team of idiots with a couple of bolts to the head, stuck in a suit, sat in a booth with an Mk Ultra audio programme pumped into his ears and then sent out on stage not before he has emptied his overflowing Tena man pull up undies.

You look at that and you look at that other idiot married and loyal to ' I did not have relations with that woman ' ....blowing my limp dick on the daily who I will now gaslight into oblivion.

Some people, with busy lives and unsure where to turn, might think, well that Orange Guy and what he represents might be better than this.

Because Trump is a certain type of personality disordered person with great charisma and unfortunately relatability ( it appears relatable), I believe many will convince themselves of the delusion that he cares. We have been subjected to so much gaslighting, nonsense and the Biden corpse re animation debacle that this has possibly tipped many into absolute break from reality.

( I am not a Trump supporter).

You wish. Trump is doing what the Electorate voted him in to do.
Stop leaky borders, (Two Tier Kier take note) Bring Jobs back to the US from Mexico and China. Confirming that there are only male and female genders in sports and toilets. Stopping waste of State funds and recovering the trillions wasted on stupid projects
CNN is a good indicator of what the Americans are thinking Ha Ha!!. On Election Night they could not get over Trump winning and the Laughing Camel-a not being the next president, because she ticked all the right boxes: a woman, and black: well not quite as she was actually of Indian not African heritage and another puppet for Obama.
Get real. Trump is no JFK, but he is no fool either. Forget the Liberal Press who would slate him if he were The Lord returned

Bring on the tariffs! Where's my coffee? A nation whines.

Trump goes about things in a pretty unconventional way that is extremely disruptive.

But it is hard to argue why America with its significant budget deficit should be expected to pay for European wars while European countries run budget surpluses and minimise their own defence spending.

My feeling is that there is a strong argument we should be asking questions about our own European failings rather than expecting Americans to continually bankroll the defence and expansion of the EU.

The equilibrium position to me may not be where Trump is currently, but it certainly isn't where Biden was either.

But the point is that for the last 80 years this is what the US wanted Europe to do. The US actively encouraged Europe post-WWII to focus on rebuilding (physically and economically) whilst offering up security guarantees to use their own military to safeguard the continent.

Fast forward and the US has integrated itself fully into EU defence programmes - weapons from US manufacturers, software to run our warplanes owned by US companies - did you know that one of the reasons the Taliban took over in Afghanistan so quickly after the Allied withdrawal was because the Afghan Air Force planes were reliant on US software. When they pulled out there was no one there to run the software updates (which are required after pretty much every flight) and this grounded the planes!

The US can’t have it both ways - they can’t spend 80 years making promises and encouraging people to rely on them and then suddenly start complaining that people have done just that!

The US is obliterating its soft power right now, it will take decades (if ever) for the trust in the US to be rebuilt. They would do well to remember that NATO’s Article 5 has only been invoked once - after 9/11. Everyone rallied to the US’s side then, but if they burn all their bridges with Europe now then they can’t expect the same again in the future.

But CNN are famously anti-Trump, so they'll select polls that confirm that bias.

The world is changing. US sees China as more of a threat now than Russia. It's been that way for a long time. It is going to take all US military efforts to counter China. They can't afford to bankroll EU defence as well.

Trump was complaining about NATO and lack of European spending during his first term. That's 8 years ago. So this is not without warning.

The US isn't trying to have it both ways. It's simply saying the free ride is over and you need to pony up because we've got other business to attend to.

I don't know much about aircraft in Afghanistan, but between the ones the Taliban destroyed and the ones that flew off to defect I would be surprised there were many left to fail from lack of software updates. Helicopters take an extraordinary amount of highly specialised maintenance, so I doubt whether many would be flying for long anyway.

@GasPanic I agree that Europe should have been paying attention during Trump 1.0 - I would argue that we should have been taking things more seriously at least 15 years ago in the run up to the invasion of Crimea.

But the point remains that the US has actively encouraged the current position as it was convenient for their own ends - spending with US based defence companies and influence within foreign governments.

I live close to two US Air Force bases in the UK. It is convenient for the US to have these facilities, lets not try to convince ourselves that they are here simply by the benevolence of the US government.

Sorry but that’s totally misrepresentative.
Biden signed 167 in his term.
Trump has signed over 70 in two months.

Over a third of Biden’s we’re reinstating climate crisis related programmes axed by Trump

Trumps are generally to give him more power and everyone else less

This
Sadly this
And we are kidding ourselves to think otherwise
He has total power until the mid terms. Thats a fact

Sad no knowledgeable and intelligent person ever. But I will enjoy this one, your precious American dollar won't stretch very far soon.
Just off to have an egg for lunch. I have lots

If Biden was behaving like Trump is, tariffs - no tariffs - tariffs again - then no tariffs on car parts for a month - the Republicans would have demanded his impeachment. I’ve seldom seen anyone as cognitively impaired as Trump.

*said

Well let's face it Mumsnetters became pretty good at it when the forum was over run by transactivists

Has anyone seen the series “Designated Survivor “ An attack kills the president and wipes out everyone in line for succession. Perhaps Kamala is the only one left due to not being in the building at the time, if only.

I did find it amusing that one of the pricks sat behind Trump as he droned on for 90 mins, (Mike Johnson Chief of staff), was pulled up after the shit show, and charged with DUI, tosser.

I agree
And phrases like pony up and free ride are just insulting
Jesus we've gone into wars for these people and they think they are so superior when most of them can't place anything on a map
I respect their (shaky) democracy and the right to change

But the insults, threats and rewriting history for Ukraine, Europe, Canada, Greenland (the list goes on) are pathetic and won't be forgotten.

If you want to cosy up to Putin then go ahead, if you can't see the problem with that, then none of your infamous thoughts and prayers will help you. Land of the Free?!! Hilarious

I agree but neither is Fox News? Which chalked would you say is? It all seems to very polarized

It was actually Johnson's chief of staff who was pulled over, not Johnson himself.

*that doesn't change the fact that Johnson is an absolute cunt.