To be jealous of everyone getting slim in weight loss jabs while I get fatter !

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Okay - lighthearted ? Maybe.

I’ve been lucky to grow up and be a size 10 . Had a baby at 27. Lost all the weight but my body changed. Baby 2 , again gained 4 stone but I’ve always kept the last stone. I am now 12/14 uk.

I work full time and have two children . I eat healthy for the most part and walk and exercise. When I am super strict which feels so much harder at 40 I am a size 12 but unlike in my 30s it seems so much harder to lose weight now . I feel crap in my clothes and I wish and dream of being a size 10. Call me pathetic !

My brother and his wife , twos sisters and their husbands , work colleagues and a few of my good friends who were never obese but had a few stone to lose are all taking weight loss jabs. They have all lost around 2/3/4 stone and are all now looking fab . All the women are now in size 8 jeans and I am jealous. I sound pathetic . None of these ladies were any bigger than a 14/16 to start with.

I totally understand these jabs are so life changing for so many people who need them but it seems in my life everyone has taken them and gone from a 14/16 to a size 8/6 size Uk and I can’t help but feel like if I just bloody jump on the bandwagon I will feel good, feel happy and be slim.

Now everyone around me is so slim I feel ever more aware of my size .

I want to state I exercise and do eat a healthy diet . I have just found after two babies and getting older unless I basically stick to 1200 calories a day I can’t maintain a size 12.
Ahhhhhh. Sorry for sounding so so so vain.

Spot on!

Ok so what should those tighter restrictions look like?

Just for info to get my prescription I had to provide height and weight. I had to provide a full length photo in tight clothing and a photo of the scales. I had to agree to a video call. I had to complete a detailed medical questionnaire and list medication and surgeries. I had to confirm I’ve never had an eating disorder. I had then to provide screenshots of my repeat medication from the NHS app. I actually provided additional information about allergies because I do actually care about my health and want them to have all the information they need to make a decision.

The following day they’d written to my GP with a copy of my application asking the GP to review and comment if necessary. The prescription was a few days later.

I really think it’s pretty thorough. I’m sure people can and do bypass it but that’s on them. The prescriber could potentially lose the ability to prescribe I guess but they don’t want to do that because it’s big money to them.

So what else is needed? Genuinely interested

@Strudie This is why we have the bingo card I think we have a full house on this thread. Have we had ‘I’m a medical professional’ yet?

@tobee because they are able to stick to the 1200 easily and not be tempted to blow it:

You obviously got yours from a very reputable provider who did extensive checks.

However, I think it's clear from people being on weight loss drugs who are already slim, that some unsuitable people are managing to slip through the net. So it's their providers that need to be made to do more checks.

So accurate!

Some from a previous thread suggested in person consultations. With clearly no thought to how that’d work when most pharmacies are exclusively online. Someone also suggested pharmacies would be willing to pick up the added cost of seeing patients in person, from their profits.

So don’t expect any thoughtful ideas 😂

What would be the point a medical professional posting on a thread about weight loss drugs on Mumsnet? The only other thread I was on like this there was a pharmacist and people just mocked her and denied that she could actually be a pharmacist because they didn't like her opinions.

They all have the same legal guidelines to follow

Pharmacies are already inspected by the GPhC and if they don't meet the required standards will be subject to an improvement plan and the pharmacist themselves may be subject to individual sanctions and controls on their practice.

@Twiglets1 come on, that poster had some very unusual attitudes from some who apparently worked as a pharmacist. That's why the posts were challenged, because they were so odd.

So are you denying that some people get hold of it who shouldn't be prescribed it based on their starting weight?

I’m saying that there isn’t the huge variety between prescribers that you’re suggesting, they are registered professionals with legal obligations. And I don’t believe the number of people obtaining the jabs inappropriately is anywhere near the numbers that are being suggested on here, no.

They weren't that odd, she was entitled to her personal opinion which was that she wouldn't take Ozempic (the weight loss drug in the OP) until it had been more widely tested for weight loss rather than diabetic purposes.

I know the issue of covid vaccinations was raised but for all we know she was also reluctant to take the covid vaccine herself, particularly if she was low risk from catching covid. Plenty of people were against the covid vaccinations partly over fear that maybe they hadn't been tested for long enough.

All I know is some people are getting it who shouldn't be and I think most people on this thread would agree to that too. So there is room for some providers to tighten up their processes, although most are fine I'm sure.

Its a trend at the moment as its new, but its definitely not a fad diet. Its funny how people find it acceptable to take a drug for life to treat blood pressure, cholesterol, heart disease etc but not for chronic obesity. People with diabetes can use Mounjaro for life but not obese people?

You absolutely don’t know that. You maybe know that people are taking it who you personally don’t think should be, but honestly you should mind your own business. Unless multiple people are coming to you and telling you that they are getting the jab by lying and somehow tricking their way through the height and weight checks and compulsory GP notification, then you don’t know who is taking it or what made them eligible.

@Twiglets1 that's a matter of recall and personal opinion, clearly. I hold that her thoughts on this were odd given the claim to expertise, and I don't agree with your brief summary.

I will always support people to hold their own opinions based on their own beliefs and judgements. Doesn't mean I need to agree, give them any weight or consider them valuable.

I'm afraid there are people on here in denial that anyone is getting hold of weight loss drugs by lying about their weight or whatever means they use to get it when their BMI isn't high enough to qualify.

I could come up with a bingo card of my own but it's just inflammatory.

What was odd about her thoughts?

You haven’t been able to give any explanation of how the checks aren’t sufficient, how so many anti-WLI posters on here can know for certain that someone isn’t eligible or how people are bypassing them. It’s not about anyone being in denial, it’s about not accepting baseless claims from a random person with an agenda.

Go for it, it would be amusing imo. Interested to see what you'd put on it.

I haven't seen a single person deny that people are fraudulently getting it by lying to prescribers. I think everyone agrees that it's possible and happening. It's the "my 5 mates all get it and they're only size 12" posts that people object to. Because unless you know for an absolute fact that their BMI is less than 27, the you cannot say that they are fraudulently getting it. And so on.

I mentioned I developed gallbladder inflammation after taking WLJ for three weeks.
I didn't know I had gallstones. I've been housebound for over four months. The pain is off the scale, my breathing crap. How was your breathing?
I'm now having to have my gallbladder removed. However due to more pressing surgery next week I have to wait.
I've lost six stone over three years so not fast weight loss.
I still think the jabs are amazing for some just not for me.

No it wouldn't really be amusing I think people would find it upsetting to see their pet phrases on a bingo card.

I said that people are getting it who shouldn't be. @Strudie replied You absolutely don’t know that. You maybe know that people are taking it who you personally don’t think should be, but honestly you should mind your own business.

Yet you say you haven't seen a single person deny that people are fraudulently getting it by lying to prescribers & you think everyone agrees that it's possible and happening. So you disagree with Strudie and agree with me that it is happening.

Actually I said further up that I can believe there are a small number obtaining it fraudulently, I don’t think any system can be foolproof. But I don’t believe it is anywhere near as easy or as prevalent as people on here suggest. That’s been my consistent view on this thread. Once again, you’ve dodged the questions about how you know this is happening in significant numbers, and how it’s being done.