To be jealous of everyone getting slim in weight loss jabs while I get fatter !

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Okay - lighthearted ? Maybe.

I’ve been lucky to grow up and be a size 10 . Had a baby at 27. Lost all the weight but my body changed. Baby 2 , again gained 4 stone but I’ve always kept the last stone. I am now 12/14 uk.

I work full time and have two children . I eat healthy for the most part and walk and exercise. When I am super strict which feels so much harder at 40 I am a size 12 but unlike in my 30s it seems so much harder to lose weight now . I feel crap in my clothes and I wish and dream of being a size 10. Call me pathetic !

My brother and his wife , twos sisters and their husbands , work colleagues and a few of my good friends who were never obese but had a few stone to lose are all taking weight loss jabs. They have all lost around 2/3/4 stone and are all now looking fab . All the women are now in size 8 jeans and I am jealous. I sound pathetic . None of these ladies were any bigger than a 14/16 to start with.

I totally understand these jabs are so life changing for so many people who need them but it seems in my life everyone has taken them and gone from a 14/16 to a size 8/6 size Uk and I can’t help but feel like if I just bloody jump on the bandwagon I will feel good, feel happy and be slim.

Now everyone around me is so slim I feel ever more aware of my size .

I want to state I exercise and do eat a healthy diet . I have just found after two babies and getting older unless I basically stick to 1200 calories a day I can’t maintain a size 12.
Ahhhhhh. Sorry for sounding so so so vain.

That we all feel the urge to be greedy and "food noise" is just how that feels.
It's not some special thing overweight people get.
If I'm not hungry but someone puts something delicious in front of me or I think of something lovely I could eat then I would be tempted; that's greed ( or food noise as it appears to be called now).
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. it's just hard wired into us to be greedy and to overeat when the opportunity presents itself.

A lot of overweight people with “food noise” would agree with you.

Can you imagine how shit it is to have a “drug addiction “ with no help from the nhs, and the worse thing is the drug is cheap, it’s easily available and you have to take limited amounts of the drug every day to stay alive.

Well it is, isn't it? It's well known that sugar, carbs, processed and UPF foods can become addictive. Like other addictions some people are more susceptible to it than others.

Ps. I've also stopped smoking and drinking on MJ - loads of people are finding it takes away the desire and compulsion to want unhealthy things. I can't drink coffee any more either.

They're looking into using a form of it for drug addiction etc I believe.

It's a miracle drug for most people.

Thank you for this explanation

I’m on them, lost just over 3 stone in 3 months. My Blood Pressure is better, I certainly feel better. However it’s not “easy”

For 48 hours after I have my jab I feel horrible nauseous. I take it Friday evening, so I have the weekend to feel rotten. The things can eat are now limited, I just can’t stomach a lot of things I used to eat. I have burps like you wouldn’t believe, and spend a lot of time saying “excuse me”, and the constipation as well.

However, these are side effects if a life saving drug, so I’m willing to put up with them for as long as I am taking them.

I am reducing my chance of heart disease and stroke.

Trust me I have tried every diet out there, and nothing has worked .. and now something has.

No idea why everyone feels the need to throw an opinion in. I pay for them myself, and nobody is forced to take them.

I fully admit I'm envious
But my mum had thyroid cancer, I'm already on 2 injections and have a shit load of autoimmune conditions plus hashimotos and my consultant has advised strongly against them

@LolaLouise Why are there significantly more people with obesity now than way back in the 1960's/70's and 80's?

It has to be partly due to the change in lifestyle- less physically active, and more snacks and also- Palm oil.

If one looks at old film footage from past decades, almost everyone is slim.

Why not take the jab yourself for a month or two.

I am sceptical about it, I have always been slim, DH was obese, he is on the jab but hasn't changed the way he eats, smaller amounts, it is irritating paying every month for what feels like a quick fix, as when he stops he'll pile it on again.

If he changed his high carb, low veg diet, I'd be supportive. He needs to take a lot of laxative

If people are going to use it, at least take the opportunity to change the lifestyle so you're not injecting forever.

Well for me this is the mystery as people saying i can't lose weight I don't eat anything then go on the drugs and lose weight - and as I understand it all that is happening is that it stops the food noise , makes you feel full for longer as turns off the chemical that makes you feel hungry.

So I understand the I am overweight as I eat too much as the food noise is deafening so the drugs are a life saver as I don't have the voice saying eat the cake etc but the people who already "hardly eat anything " what is it doing for them?

As someone on Mounjaro… it’s not a magic pill. You have to keep in a deficit and eat healthy food. I was happy that I lost a stone on my own first before taking it. The side effects for some are not pleasant.

On a lighter note I do think you need to strive for the best version of yourself. I’ve accepted I'm never going to be exactly how I was before having children.

And kindly I think your reply just demonstrates that you don’t get food noise. It’s not a case of being tempted by someone putting something down in front of a person. It’s never feeling full and always thinking about food, when driving, when at work, when watching tv…..constantly.

someone posted a good explanation earlier of how the evidence shows that some people have less of the “feeling full” hormones than others. If people who are overweight have less of that hormone why shouldn’t they get a drug which balances the playing field? If that drug now gives them more of that feeling full hormone and they don’t eat as much then doesn’t that prove it’s not greed? It was a medical thing?

you do realise that the drug doesn’t magically melt fat away or burn up calories? People still have to eat less on it.

its a bit like saying to a clinically depressed person that “oh everyone feels a bit down sometimes, just buck your ideas up”. When actually they have less serotonin than the average person and need a medical drug to boost that.

None of these quick fixes are healthy though are they? Yes the weightloss drugs have their place when they are needed, but they aren’t for just anyone and everyone. Eat right, exercise and accept your body. Be healthy and strong. Think of your health as a whole, weight loss drugs are part of that for those who really need them but not for those that don’t. And think of the long term implications not about being in size 8 jeans

So you’re just bitching about the term (for no obvious reason)?

I can absolutely identify with cravings and emotional eating.

There are times when time is short, pressure and stress or even boredom are high and the comforting thing to occupy my brain with is food.

What I have found over a lifetime of trying to get to grips with myself and feel the best that I can feel - is if I can just get to the position of buying as far as possible healthy fresh & whole foods (rather than junk or ultra processed food) then I can get on a healthy eating roll, no cravings and it is almost impossible to eat too much of the good stuff. I sleep better, I'm more motivated for walking/swimming/classes etc, I feel happier in myself and in my clothes. But if I put easy temptation in my way - my brain craves more and more of that easy dopamine hit.

It is so important to build your muscle rather that let it waste. You don't realise this when you are young and just want to look a specific way - but you need to be thinking now of taking great care of your muscles & bones, not starving your body for temporary results.

It has to be partly due to the change in lifestyle- less physically active, and more snacks and also- Palm oil.
I'd say it is the main reason, all the hormone problems weren't an issue in the 60/70/80's.

And as has been asked, why are there so many many more people with less of the "feeling full" hormone these days?
Where were they up until 20 years ago?
We all feel greed but easy access to cheap food now means more and more people giving into the greed. ( which is more than understandable)

Yep!

Oh come on, everyone knows it is pretty easy to cheat the system with the submit photos etc. There are threads all the time on here from people who started them at bmi 28 and just lied in the process /weighted themselves when taking a photo of the scales /used a photo of someone else.
Please don't act as though nobody is accessing these if they are not obese already, plenty of people who are just a bit overweight are using them.

I dont know, its interesting, there has to be a reason. That reason could be UPFs, has the uptake in UPFs in recent decades made us resistant to GLP1, or is it the access to higher calorie fast food meant that its just easier for people to take on more calories when they have the constant urge to snack than previously? We can access fast food 24/7 delivered to our door for considerable cheaper than previously, calorific drinks are every 20 steps, and if your not walk, drive thrus conviently placed every 3 minutes. For most people access to unhealthy food is far far easier, so fighting the urges is much much harder. Is it just the fact that we understand it better, or is it more prevelent? Is it that back in the 60s/70's someone was considered overweight at a much smaller size than we consider it at now? Did people have more active lifestyles and jobs that mean the extra calories they consumed were burned off?

Theres 100's of reasons, and of course this doesnt apply to everyone, not everyone who is obese is genetically more likely to be obese, and some who are genetically more likely, wont be obese due to other habits and lifestyles. But blanket calling everyone who is obese as greedy and lazy is wrong, its not the fault of the person in every situation.

Society needs to shift its view, and accept there are biological and genetic factors contributing to the rising levels of obesity, and see that a medication to treat this can only be a good thing for society as a whole. Reducing the costs to society for obesity related illnesses is massive. Instead of labelling people as greedy or lazy, why arent we embracing a medication that helps? Understanding that it works by chaning hormone receptors, accepting that hormonal imblances is not the fault of the person, breaking that stigma and judgement, surely has to be better for everyone? Those who dont need it as much as those who do?

Over eater anonymous is busier than ever.
Many people use food as self medication to sooth emotions, likewise people who use drugs and alcohol excessively are using self medication for the sane reason.

It’s very easy to ‘cheat’. I didn’t qualify as my BMI wasn’t 30 or higher. It was however, 29 and I was very overweight indeed. So I may have fibbed, just a tad.

I think they were probably fibbing /under estimating how much they were eating before.

It doesn’t work for everyone. It doesn’t work great for me, I get no side effects like others report at all. No nausea, no burping, etc. I perhaps feel slightly fuller, slightly earlier but I can still eat a lot. I still get food noise/cravings though maybe not quite as bad, but still bad.

I went to Toby Carvery with friends yesterday and had a massive breakfast and didn’t feel particularly overly full. I’m certainly not pushing my food around my plate and struggling to eat. I’ve been starving all morning today, had a bar of chocolate mid morning and then sat down and ate at 12 on the dot, had a chicken breast, couple of tablespoons of rice, half an avocado, cucumber, pepper, edemane beans and I’m still hungry.

I am very, very slowly losing. But still taking will power. Which I admit I’m bad at but if I wasn’t so bloody hungry and/or thinking about food all the time it would be easier. My slim friend says she never thinks about food like this. She also says that she loves chocolate though and eats plenty of it but stays slim. 🤷‍♀️

james Corden said it didn’t work for him. He said he eats because he likes food, not because he’s hungry. Guess it didn’t turn his food noise/cravings off for him.

best thing for me has been helping improve my inflammatory arthritis autoimmune condition.

This is fantastic and very encouraging!

I find no one believes you when you talk about how much you're controlling food and amounts while at the same time exercising while STILL not losing weight - unless they experience it themselves.

In the past why were people thinner?

I can think of the following possible reasons why people were thinner in the past, more apply the further back you go.

Smoking
More manual labor
No cars
Lack of food
Less palatable food
Less varied food
Less convienent food
No upfs
Untreatable worm infestations
Dirty water, so frequent stomach upsets
No antibiotics so people ill with other diseases and able to eat less
More people died young so less middle aged people to be fat in the first place
Breast feeding
No central heating