To think Trump is right

[Donotpanicoknowpanic]

Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

Trump/Vance have lost the plot and cannot be trusted, just like their new pal - let’s see how long that friendship lasts.
Hopefully Europe will back Ukraine.
USA and Russia can’t get chunks of a country just because they want to - thankfully the world doesn’t work like that.

No, I studied that quite recently and there is much debate. My personal.view is that the Treaty was not v harsh but it was more that Germans had unrealistic views of harshness which Hitler manipulated. Zara Steiner & Margaret mcMillan are good on this.

Telling Zelensky to apologise is straight out of the Mean Girl Handbook

Honestly if he is that smart, he hides it well.

Last speech I heard was about how we in Europe don’t have freedom and he brings up abortion clinics and the right to protest

Does he not see the irony

Although Churchill did give Poland away to Russia!

After Poles fought for the Allies

Mmmm ok well people are feeling it in their pockets in part because of this war. I am a person who prefer peace but try to see what and how this can unfold if it doesn’t stop. Interested in what would happen next.

How does it manage to do that? Because its economy is supported by debt, inward investment and trade and cooperation. How much are they going to spend when they have less access to capital, higher borrowing costs, lower stock market values a shrinking economy and an ever decreasing influence on geopolitics?

Even without a determined effort to marginalise the US, both China and India look likely to have larger economies in the near future. This isolationist approach from the US will leave them weaker both domestically & internationally.

Trump is like a toddler having constant tantrums if he does not get his way. He has the intellect of a dead rat.
Putin must be rubbing his hands with glee. When he meets Trump he will run rings around him.
Comparisons of Hitler and Trump or Putin, are not misplaced!

Not going to happen.

We are party to a lot of our intelligence from the US and it's agreements to share their assets and intelligence with the FVEY and NATO communities.

I posted in a previous thread that the majority of NATO ISR comes from US assets.... mentioned through one of the NATO websites.
And the majority of the UKs airborne ISR assets are joint/multi partner projects that include the US as a main stakeholder. Eg RJ, P8 Poseidon, Reaper, Protector, Shadow.

Slava Ukraini!

Oh for goodness sake. You really need to read up on history if you think that appeasing a bloodthirsty dictator has ever worked, or will ever work. It won't.

Unbelievable in the day that we have so much information freely available at our fingertips on the internet, a (thankfully) small minority of badly informed people believe that a country that's been invaded should just be prepared to give up land.

No doubt if this happened to Britain, you'd be saying something different. Or at least, I hope you would be.

Oh no. He's smart. He just has literally no conscience. He lies and twists and flip flops without an iota of remorse.

Yes, straight out of the Mean Girl Handbook, but it suits his purpose, so he doesn't care.

We underestimate him at our peril.

He's talking to Putin to end the war. Whom should Trump speak to about that? Mali? Maybe Peru?

Yes, although with the people Trump has put in charge of national security and intelligence, I would expect to see a real change in these operations.

He is doing a lot more than talking to him.

We underestimate him at our peril.

I never underestimate arrogant men. Intelligent or not they manage to acquire power.

Russia expected to win the war in the first three weeks and were unpleasantly surprised at how strongly and bravely the Ukrainians fought back and how much support they received from other countries.

You still don't take on board the fact that allowing Putin to keep the territory that he has annexed will only embolden him to invade other countries that he thinks should be part of Russia. If any of these are Nato countries, there will be a third world war as Nato countries would need to enter the war.

We are in year 3 of Putins 3 day war. The only reason Putin hasn't taken Ukraine is the determination of its citizens. Ukraine has done amazingly well to hold the beast at bay for as long as it has.

This is not a war being fought over an empty piece of land, this is an illegal invasion of a sovereign country whose people are fighting for their right to survive.

Ukraine needs and deserves our support, Russia can go to hell, and Putin, Trump and Vance can take their land grab attempts and shove it up their arses.

Unfortunately, I think you're very much underestimating the clout of the malign forces pulling his strings. They've been preparing for this for a long time.

He's the project 2025 force. He's the Curtis Yarvin acolyte. They're quieter and stealthier than the Trump/Musk contingent, but in it for the long game.

Punitive diplomacy in the aftermath of the war to end all wars was not the right way to go about things, although its not difficult to understand why that path was chosen. Any attempt at peace has to come from a base of reconciliation, not screwing the losing side to the floor. The winners/losers narrative creates losers of us all.

I don't think the answer lies in sending thousands of men to there deaths each week

The answer lies in coming to a peace deal

Backed up by Ukraine having better security

A piece of paper is only worth so much

A massive gun pointing towards you can be worth a lot more

But the paper will let people live

The gun can guarantee that the peace will remain

I am not delusional, I know peace must be backed with weapons

All staged to show how strong he is. Except he is an egotistical idiot and what he displayed was a red faced fury that Zelensky had the temerity to stand up for himself and Ukraine. Vance is his puppet as Trump is Putins.

What is motivating trump to as pathetic as it is...he wants a Nobel peace prize. He hates that Obama has one and he doesn't. Like the time magazine cover.Obama got one so he got someone to buy him one this time round. That is the kind of narcissist that he is.

Trump doesn't give 2 f's about Ukraine or people dying so long as it isn't him, he just doesn't care about anyone but himself.

He also wants the Ukraine resources for Elon.

Does anyone want war? Other than putin because he has his pipe dream of reuniting the former soviet Union, no. Zelensky and noone in Europe wants war . But without some powerful backup and deterrent Putin will just use any peace to regroup and rearm coming for Ukraine again and/or Finland and Poland. Anyone who says different is totally delusional. At present putin is struggling because he hasn't made the advances he wants or needs and his manpower and munitions are depleted.

Trump at present is acting like a Russian asset using Russian talking points and calling Zelensky the dictator.

What you mean is talking about Russia retreating.

But that turned into him talking about how Ukraine invaded Russia and started this war

Might get more sense out of Mali or Peru

@Donotpanicoknowpanic you said 'But the killing must stop and sadly that will probably mean Ukraine loosing some of there country which is bad'

You seriously think the killing will stop if Ukraine lose some of their country? Answer me this. USA get mineral mining rights. Nothing has been mentioned about security help for the country from USA in return - that's what Zelenskyy was feisty about in the televised meeting (designed to ambush Zelenskyy). So American mining squads go into Ukraine. And Putin breaks his promise (not for the first time), sends over a couple of missiles, targeting Kyiv for example. But one misses. Which kill an American amongst others. Now what's Trump going to do? He can't let it go. American lives are protected by America wherever they are is USA mantra from what I've heard. So he's got to get troops on the ground. Putin will have to suffer etc. And if USA is out of NATO by that point then no European country has to step up to help. It'll be the battle of USA vs Russia.

So losing territory without some security measures in place is insane. USA want the mining rights, they supply the security.

Trump wants Ukraine's mineral wealth. That's the only reason he is interested in Ukraine. To put it in perspective, that's what Putin wants as well, along with a warm water deep port in the Crimea (more necessary now Syria is out of his influence).