To think Trump is right

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Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

sweetie you clearly did not watch the whole thing or have the first understanding of the realities of the situation.
or you are a warmonger, happy to see young men die and a country destroyed as long as its a long way rom you

in either case your opinion is valueless.

Everyone knows Trump is arrogant and incredibly thin skinned. Zelensky knows that. Maybe no-one should have to bother being polite to him, but unfortunately he's currently the leader of the most powerful country in the world. So politicians have to be pragmatic, if they want Trump to give them what they want.

Do you have any evidence of corruption?

The EU is capable of conducting a war without the UK.

The UK is not the most powerful country in Europe anymore. Plenty of other countries have better economies and better armies.

If the UK want to join the war, great.

If they don't want to join the war, we don't need them

I can't get over how disgusting this attitude is.

America has maintained its position through the support and cooperation of its allies. If Europe moves its support elsewhere the US is fucked. Losing the dollar as the world's reserve currency and leaving it strategically isolated would finish it as world power.

You don't bully and gang up on your guests. Trump and Vance spouted bullshit to Zelensky and when he quietly corrected this, they talked over him and shouted him down.

Zelensky was calm and restrained, and very much the better man.

Trump and Vance (have you got down on your knees and prostrated your thanks to us), are fuckwits of the highest order. Trumps casual insults aimed at Biden (clearly Biden also said no to him), shows his pathetic grudge keeping clouds his judgement and shows his stupidity.

But hey, Zelensky in his clean, casual clothing was tidier and smarter than Trump with his schoolboy tied tie and ill fitting, poorly won suit.

Yeah apart from the condition to go back into the F35 program was Turkey hand over all the Russian missile systems it has, Turkey has refused, so not back in the program.....

Also Trump wants to drop F35 development....

Today's world is about image. Zelenski knows this, and every time we see a picture of him we are reminded by the way he dresses that he's the leader of a country that has is fighting for its existence.
If he wore a suit, we would see a business man arguing about money with other businesses men.
The choice of not wearing a suit is brilliant, which is why pro russians keep attacking it.

They'd only be going toe to toe with them if any peace agreement was worthless. And if it's worthless why is Trump so keen to sign Ukraine up to it?

Of course it's performative that Zelensky doesn't wear a suit. It's symbolic of the fact that his country was illegally invaded and is being devastated by war. He hasn't worn a suit since the invasion.

Here's Zelensky in a suit in 2019 for you. He can wear a suit. He is making a statement by not wearing a suit in 2025.

@Bertaboo the realistic situation is that both need US hence the security ask

Yeah but posters were saying that wearing a suit is respectable.

So you don't have to wear a suit and be respectable, if you are rich like elon musk, then?

IMO
ths press conference was to show unity and Mr V either didnt understand or more likely didn’t agree with “diplomacy”
He saw opportunity to have a global platform to get support for a different agenda.

Thanks, I really wants to hear a shit opinion

I've seen zero signs of EU countries being prepared to fight in Ukraine. What countries are you envisioning getting involved in anything more than paying for weapons?

Because they still believe in and apply the rule of law.

Zelensky was argumentative and ungrateful. I also find his lack of wearing a suit disrespectful,

@BreezyShaker I posted this on another thread (apologies to those who have seen it) The link is from the Imperial War Museum site

https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205140997

"Mr Churchill in his siren suit at The White House, Jan 1942"

Perhaps Trump will remove the bust of Churchill he seemed so keen on from the Oval Office now.

Trump is Putin's puppet. Where else do you think the US is going?

The reds are under the bed.

I didn't say it was ok, that's how the world works

@Bertaboo because they don't want escalation

What ? The UK has got involved in loads of wars in the past.

This one - total silence .

It's unusual how little other countries have intervened in this war.

There’s no way the uk would ever speak Russia… we’re shite at languages 🫣

@TheAmusedQuail Russia is not a communist country. It's a capitalist oligarchy