To think Trump is right

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Watching the press conference last night which descended into an argument

I can't help think Trump was right and made good points

Thousands of troops are dying and being seriously injured every month

Trump wants it to stop

There are thousands of people who have children alive today who will not be alive tomorrow because of this war

They are clearly in a stalemate and soldiers are now dying untill peace terms are made as no side can win on the battlefield

Trump as brutal as it sounds was being realistic about what peace would be like

Ukraine has to be realistic

If Ukraine sign the rare earth deal with America then America will have a stake in Ukraine and they should then get a better security deal

Trump has not agreed what that is yet, it's clear he wants the European's to form a big part of that

The European's want American troops and for good reason

But this has to stop and the only way it will stop is by peace negotiations

And these have to be realistic and Trump is saying it as it is

@RubyTuesday48 trump said weeks ago there are still eccomics leverage and other stuff they can do. They can break the dead lock and then do all sorts. They can't do right now in the war theatre.
Once putin is out, USA and US can do more and shore them up

If Vance became POTUS on Monday, based on his previous comments, Handmaids Tale will start on Tuesday. He’s obsessed with women’s wombs.

Then why is your president cosying up to Russia

I think Vance is actually very smart and very frightening and probably a sociopath. He has a real and extremely damaging philosophy and agenda with a lot of money and support behind it. Peter Thiel essentially bought him his senate seat and the vice presidency and has big plans for him.

Then you Europeans can either play well in the sandbox together, or not. Not our continent, not our circus.

Lot of Americans were saying that on the 6th December 1941.

References posted upthread ...

They were not evidence.

You would encourage Ukraine to target heavily populated civilian areas as Russia has done? The Russian people are mostly victims in this, and even if they weren't, children are innocent.

No one has said the USA hasn't given aid. What they've take issue with is the continued disinformation spread by Trump about how much aid has been provided and that it is greater than that provided by Europe.

This is true. Peter Theil ensures he stays in the shadows. He’s on record saying he doesn’t believe in democracy and said the world went to shit when women gained the vote. These are extremely dangerous people.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/08/jd-vance-women-weird-voting-peter-thiel.html

He’d be the US equivalent of Truss succeeding Johnson. He wouldn’t last five minutes.

I think that something may out of left field to break the deadlock. Other countries are watching quietly from the sidelines, and both Russia and US are distracted at the moment.

The thing is though, as much of a sniveling, pathetic sidekick he is....he isnt thick.

I don't think he's a particularly intelligent individual. He may have managed to gain some qualifications which obviously requires some level of intelligence but he lacks critical thinking and any kind of emotional intelligence.

We mustn't confuse success, arrogance and the ability to shout louder than anyone else, as a high level of intelligence.

Europe won’t go broke. Russia’s GDP is about the size of Italy’s - they are desperate for the folly they started to end.

Agreed that it does contain best case max ranges for optimal conditions and scenarios.

Obviously, Google and public stuff isn't going to have access to all the doctrine which dictates how Russia would operate.
But even with the relevant doctrine, there's still that risk that the doctrine for targeting can be overrided if a situation needs it. Russia has disregarded its doctrine on a few occasions in different theatres.

But any flight plan or orbit that involves sitting in a missile engagement zone during a period of increased threat and risk of increased intent needs higher level starred sign off and from what I've seem they always look at the "worst case" scenario... even if a system operating right at its max range seems unlikely.

As much as they for the most part won't use it to the edge of its max range, it's still a viable threat that needs considering.

But Russian coverage over Europe does pose a serious risk if escalation continues as a lot of countries sit comfortably with the optimal range.

Won't be the most up to date with Russian capability, technology and ranges but gives an interesting visual representation of the capability they do have.

Source:
https://behorizon.org/russian-a2ad-strategy-and-its-implications-for-nato/

I don't believe that I said your contribution was tiny.
Either argue in good faith, or don't bother.

In an ideal world Putin never would off invaded Ukraine

He is an evil man who only cares about himself

He has sent thousands of his countrymen to there deaths

He should be elected to improve their lives not kill them

Never think I side with Putin

Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world

But the killing must stop and sadly that will probably mean Ukraine loosing some of there country which is bad

If the spectacle yesterday was any indication of how Trump conducts his super important, most tremendously bigly business deals, no wonder he’s gone bankrupt multiple times 😂

Hes a toddler having a tantrum because he couldn’t get Z to sign his deal. Embarrassing.

The US has maintained its position because it spends almost $1T on defense each year.

bigly business deals😂

Peace being negotiated with concessions made on both sides is the only reasonable way to end the war. Ukraine have no path to victory and cannot win. That's a fact. It can't just go on forever costing billions of pounds and with men being conscripted and dying If Europe including the UK send soldiers it's going to launch us into ww3. A lot of you seem really keen to send more men (including your sons!?) off to die. Ridiculous. I feel so sorry for Zelinsky. I do think he is a hero. I know people think orange man bad but the reality is, he's probably the only person who can get both sides around the table and start to broker peace.

He proved quite conclusively yesterday that he couldn’t broker anything. Disrupters aren’t interested in peace.

Trump has sided with tyranny. We have to view this US administration as hostile to our interests. We can’t trust them to keep their word or be party to any intelligence we are in possession of. And we need to get closer to our European neighbours, fellow liberal democracies - strength in numbers.

Absolutely.

I trust you will volunteer first then before conscription happens

The war is now a stalemate, the only was it will end is with a peace deal

If Russia was going to take over Ukraine it would of happened by now

If Ukraine was going to push Russia back it would off happend by now

Delaying a peace deal just results in more death

Ukraine is right to ask about security guarantee's

Trump should be more open to talking more about that before the rare earth deal is signed

Ukraine has a bad hand to play and rare earth minerals is one of there hands

They should not be talking about what clothes they are wearing

They need to make a deal

And stop this madness