AIBU to not want to go to war

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It's expensive and it hurts and it helps nothing, it just puts innocent sons, brothers, fathers, uncles and friends through the meat grinder. The only people who benefit are those who make a fortune from selling weapons and are granted contracts for reconstruction.

Haven't we learnt anything? What happened to "never again".

AIBU to really really really not want to be involved in any war?

Yes they would, due to the equality act. This idea war would only affect young men is wrong.

But i agree, if more women were in charge this constant aggression wouldn't happen as much I hope

Well, Russians own loads of London property.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1294031/russian-owned-property-value-london/

There are plenty of aggressive women!

You are being ridiculous with this remark.

Some are on MN 😉

The south east. It’ll probably bring the house prices down quite a bit. And I’m reliably informed by some of our politicians that there’s an invasion there anyway.

I see your point but also if some women were in charge we would be fucked up.
Imagine some of the mumnetters on here being in charge omg we would be screwed.

Imo these women had to outman the men to get where they did. Look at MT getting voice coaching to sound more masculine. Every bit as much products of the patriarchy as the men around them.

'Backing down' doesn't stop conflict. The aggressor just moves on to the next thing they decide to take.

All this 'Ukraine should just let Putin have what he wants and stop moaning'' is very very short sighted and naive on a massive scale.

Can in introduce you to Margaret Thatcher who wrenched a bloody victory from the jaws of a peaceful resolution in the Falklands?

If you think Zelenskyy baking down will reduce the chance of war we have no choice but to be involved in, you aren’t paying attention.

And what if you are attacked by a more powerful force, as Ukraine was? Just roll over?

Exactly this. Like meddling in Brexit and the US elections, Ukraine is just part of Putin's and Musks end game

Do you think this might be because the overwhelming number of world leaders so far have been men? Women haven’t been, and aren’t now really if you look at the numbers) influential in politics at the level of starting/entering wars. When they have been, the evidence does not suggest they would start fewer.

Loving all the think of your special British children, love war monger Russia vibes from some posters here.

Russia can stop this meat grinder any time. But it would rather send a lot of tragic poor Russian people onto computers to wind up a lot of British mothers. They like the meat grinder. What hell it must be to be an ordinary Russian

There was a peaceful solution on the table. There isn’t for Ukraine. It’s totally different.

When did he do that? He was very conciliatory. Maybe too much so. Correcting falsehoods isn’t ’poking the bear’.

And what if you are attacked by a more powerful force, as Ukraine was? Just roll over? Well you could fight but you will end up like Gaza, where is the sense in that?

What are you, some sort of Quisling?

Where is the sense in either? Your children die either way. Might as well at least try to stand up for right.

WTAF?
Equality is decadent nonsense?
Your totally mad takes on the war make more sense now.

When did he do that? He was very conciliatory. Maybe too much so. Correcting falsehoods isn’t ’poking the bear’.

Starmer is being far too belligerent, it's not as if we can supply enough weapons for Ukraine to win the war and our army is non existent compared to Russia. US didn't agree to provide the backstop he asked for.

Let's say you don't care about anyone else in the world, even in Europe, you're not going to like all the food and essentials shortages and many millions of refugees coming here when the war affects the rest of the continent.

And by the way, Hitler promised not to invade the Czech Republic.

Putin hasn't kept any agreements he's ever made. You would have to be missing basic brain cells to believe him on anything.

For a start, he refers to Ukraine as a "military operation" not a war even though it is.

Secondly, don't forget Theresa May stopped a public enquiry when Russian spies killed innocent people in the UK using biological weapons. Absolute pushover. If you think Russians have no power here, you are very wrong.

Where is the sense in either? Your children die either way. Might as well at least try to stand up for right.

That's the point, your children don't die if you accept you can't win and do a deal and your country is not left in ruins.