JD Vance and Trump are fucking idiots

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JD Vance . What an idiot.

Trump narcissistic bully.

Vile men

Unbelievable greed, idiots, bullies, vile men

Why are you so angry about Trump America. If Europe is so great then what's the problem? They have enough money, they agree with Zelensky to continue the war then let Europe pay for it from now on. How can you get all angry about Trump and America? If you don't need him then don't ask him for anything else. Can't see why people are so angry because someone won't give them their own money without signing any agreement to pay them back!
UK and other countries have loan agreements. Zelensky and the UK Priminister have said so as well.

If someone doesn't want to give you money you go find some other sucker who is willing to part with their money. Money doesn't grow on trees you know and there isn't some bottomless pit full of it.

They deserve each other. Both capable of shady business deals when it is people who matter. when it comes to governments.

Are you joking

you've been all over these threads throwing tantrums

May I suggest you read the thread?

People aren't angry about money. The way a leader, of a country that has been at war for over 3 years, having been INVADED by Russia, was treated by a pair of vile, classless, vile muppets, has been discussed. The bullying behaviour was atrocious. The way the pair treated him, talked over him, pandering to the invader.

It's not all all about money. Maybe Ukraine could sell their rare earth minerals to China and watch Trump explode then 🤔.

I feel for you, if you genuinely don't understand.

Thank you to the posters who genuinely engaged.

Let's hope a genuine plan for peace can be agreed upon, not a land and mineral grab by 2 very shady individuals.

The agreement was to repay money previously given, I am not aware of any future commitment given? Isn't that the whole point?

I agree you can withdraw support, that's your prerogative. But you are demanding historical repayments, calling people dictator and they started the war and negotiating without them. As well as all the other lies about the amount spent, money going missing etc.
And that's before Fridays pathetic debacle and all the other topics

That's where the anger is coming from.
But you know that

Because they lack the capacity for independent thought and think regurgitating Fox News propaganda is an original argument.

Also, we have all seen how previous agreements made by the US aren't worth the paper they are written on. Now I realised that was true for Russia, having broken numerous agreements, but I thought better of the US. SADLY, the current incumbent doesn't remember what he said the day before, let alone HONOUR what his country signed up to.

Honour, bravery, class, integrity, cannot be bought.

I just hope that Europe is busy talking to the BRICS countries. The world is a big place.

I'm not angry but I am concerned and worried that the US Government is no longer functioning in a democratic way. You have congress and senate for a reason.

I'm surprised that @MNHQ allow @Odin2018 to keep posting, given the level of misinformation they spout.

Traffic.

Love the protesters in Vermont giving Vance a hard time. Hope he has a rotten holiday and they spit in his coffee. 😂😂😂😂

It's best to just starve them of attention.

I second that.

It is horrifying to know that someone is capable of plucking the heart strings of Christians when they really couldn't care less about them.

It is proof that in every speech and every action he uses people if it benefits him.

Why did the American people fall for it? Possibly because the opposition gave them no choice, in their eyes.

I think because a lot of Christians in America are very conservative. They see Trump as upholding conservative values. They dislike liberal, "woke" idealogy and so does Trump.

America is very different culturally to Europe and they have strong Christian elements. Secondly, it appeals to the alt right who see life in terms of white supremacy and Christianity.

I agree with you. Would any American, anywhere, sign a contract which involves them shelling out and signing a blank contract to be filled in later?

President Zelensky wanted help to ensure Putin didn't break another ceasefire agreement and invade again. Trump refused. Nor did Trump tell him whether Ukraine was paying for military aid already sent, for which there was no contract to repay, or what protection Trump would give in the future.

Knowing Trump and his ability to do shady deals, his idea of military aid to Ukraine was probably to protect his mining once he had the mineral rights. President Zelensky has wise advisors. He saw through that.

When did an arms deal become a peace deal? What sort of peace deal was Trump offering? is it written down? If so, why didn't he respond to the questions Zelensky asked? How can you say to a President whose country is at war: 'are you waiting until bombs drop on heads?'' not realising that bombs are dropping on Ukrainian heads daily these last three years?

I am inclined to agree with you. I know little about organised Christianity in America and would not want to upset anyone through ignorance.

Europe is predominantly Christian/ Catholic .

American Christianity is coming across more like devil worship these days, what with Trump being the new Messiah, chosen by God to save America.

Rollover thread as JD Vance and Trump are still fucking idiots.

JD Vance and Trump are fucking idiots: Part 2

Many European countries are predominantly secular and don't have Christian lobby groups. They also don't have the bible belt. It's a very different culture.

I wonder how Jesus would have treated Zelensky? Was he bothered by suits?

Nailed it