Can you define what Female Gender is?

[peakedandoverthehill]

I hear about biological sex and gender being different things but what is female gender? Surely if you can't define what having a female gender is, then how can it exist?

Voting

YABU - I can define female gender and will write my definition as a post here.
YANBU - You can't define female gender

I think it's really interesting that most trans women, as soon as they transition, start wearing dresses/skirts, heels and make-up!! I mean, most biologically born females just wear jeans! And a lot of us women don't wear makeup!

If a man wants to wear make up and a skirt he should just do it without trying to claim this makes him a women.

Being a woman is not about wearing a skirt and heels! It's about how we were treated as kids, expectations on us, how we were raised in the family home and in society and in school and other systems, as a female, how we are viewed by men in society, the difficulties we face when our period starts and our experiences of puberty and crushes and developing from child to woman, how we develop social circles as navigate our growing identity as women. It's not about clothing and ditching the Adams apple.

What a daft question. If you are an actual c*y woman then you just live as one regardless of how you actually live. Even if you have short hair, never wear frocks and like engineering and dinosaurs.

this - just this - everyone should dress as they feel appropriate / they want to - but it does mean you change gender.

👏🏻louder for the people at the back!!

Quite suspicious at your motives here OP. Are you trying to stir ip a bit of trans hatred?

Could you define trans hatred please?

I'll bite. Living as a woman is what you do when you are a woman (i.e. physically a woman, born as a girl) and you're not yet dead. You can have children or not, be oppressed by the patriarchy or not, wear pink or a boiler suit or anything really, have long or short hair. You're still living as a woman, because you are one.

Great post.

If you’re a woman (=biological female), then however you live, dresses/trousers, makeup/no make up, long hair/short hair, is living as a woman. Because you are a woman. Oh, and you have to factor in the 3 Ms - menstruation, menopause and misogyny, of course.

If you’re a transwoman (=biological male), then living as a woman means living how you imagine the kind of woman you think you’d like to be, if you were one, would live. Could be a short-haired woman wearing trousers and no make-up, but invariably isn’t, and it will only ever be an approximation. And that’s fine. But it doesn’t make you a woman.

gender is personal and based on your lived experience as an adult human female.

Gender is how you identify, whether you identify as typical female or typical male traits. Biological sex is your chromosomal sex either XX for female or XY for male with a few mutations.

Fuck.

I grew, birthed and fed a human thanks to my chromosomes.

But I own more tools than my husband, rewired our whole house and fitted new bathrooms, do all the driving and car maintenance and do very little domestic work or childcare. I wear makeup and have my nails done. What does that make me?!

(Gender critical is what.)

From what I can see ‘gender’ is another word for ‘personality’ but with a shit load of depressing sexist stereotypes thrown in

I'm getting déjà vu with this thread... 🤔

But this is my point. Why buy into this gender stereotype nonsense? If a form asks for ‘gender’ then I say female because that’s my sex and I use sex/gender as the same thing. If other people don’t, and organisations don’t, that’s their existential conundrum to work out.

Us playing into that ‘it means old fashioned stereotypes’ validates all the bollocks we are now dealing with. If you say sex and gender are the same thing, men can’t live as a woman. It’s an impossibility.

We need to reclaim the word gender to mean what it means. Your biological sex.

Laconicism: Somebody smart would have bought a dishwasher by now.

No. It's always bollocks.

i think you have to take a pragmatic approach here, @peakedandoverthehill
If you want to apply for the jobs, you have to tick one of their boxes. You have already done the M/F sex box, so just play their game and check the F gender box.

Get the interview, and then see how it goes. If you get there and you know you definitely don't want to work there, if they ask for your pronouns say "sex based like my oppression" and then see what happens? or just do the interview, and see how it all is.

Sometimes the need for a job means we have to put up with the bullshit.

Laconicism: Somebody smart would have bought a dishwasher by now.

nah, because you still have the same problem but with loading/unloading the dishwasher

Gender and sex are interchangeable. It is only in recent years that people have tried to create a new false definition of gender for their own purposes. This is what happens when you pretend sociology is a science rather than Biology. Being a women mean no more or less than having XX chromosomes. Being a women doesn't create a set of behaviours, we have many many different characteristics and understandings of what it means to be a women.

You’re not biologically female. You’re female. Biologically female is a nonsense, there’s no other kind of female!

Lol, I don't think so.

I don't think many trans women identify into that kind of stereotype!

Biological sex is a nonsense. Sex IS biology!

How can a male person identity as a female person, given that male and female refer to sex?

Just ask Dylan Mulvaney. He knows Everything about being a woman. He is one you see.

Yes obviously.
I'm sure from my comment as a whole you could see that I agree with that, so I'm not sure why you felt the need to pull me up on this.

Just feels a bit petty really.

I think she's asking a valid question. One that is never adequately answered.

I do think OP that a pragmatic approach is needed when it comes to job applications.

If you don't comply with the gendered question the employer might not take your application forward.

I would watch out though for any other 'values' the employer might have. So many don't favour those of us who are born female!

As above, gender is a social construct, I. E. made up nonsense about how society expects a Man or a woman to behave.