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Can you define what Female Gender is?

249 replies

peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 16:34

I hear about biological sex and gender being different things but what is female gender? Surely if you can't define what having a female gender is, then how can it exist?

Voting

YABU - I can define female gender and will write my definition as a post here.
YANBU - You can't define female gender

OP posts:
CarefulN0w · 23/02/2025 16:52

When people cite gender, what they usually refer to are a whole bunch of regressive, sexist stereotypes. Female gender it seems, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

On the other hand, sex is binary which is a much more useful classification. A woman is an adult human female.

Inertia · 23/02/2025 16:52

Gender can mean whatever people want - it’s totally made up.

This is why laws and service provision need to be based on sex.

CarefulN0w · 23/02/2025 16:53

Upstartled · 23/02/2025 16:48

Sex - biological reality
Gender- pantomime.

Actually, this nails it for me.

5128gap · 23/02/2025 16:55

caringcarer · 23/02/2025 16:48

Gender is how you identify, whether you identify as typical female or typical male traits. Biological sex is your chromosomal sex either XX for female or XY for male with a few mutations.

What are typical male and female traits though? Has someone compiled a list we can assess ourselves against to determine our gender?

MarkingBad · 23/02/2025 16:56

So if I work with men, am good at maths, mainly wear trousers, scratch my arse, swear, and belch, all of which I do, am I living as a man?

northwestgirl · 23/02/2025 16:56

an interesting question, OP but most usefully asked of those who opened this whole can of worms, but they are always conspicuous by their absence when anything related to logic or science gets asked
maybe they will be along soon, I've got a few hours...

TheKeatingFive · 23/02/2025 16:57

peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 16:40

So how can a man feel like he has female gender? I'm so confused.

He can't. We all know that.

peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 16:57

The thing is I am trying to fill out a form and it has asked me for my gender.
It won't let me skip it either but there's no key to explain what it means.

OP posts:
peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 16:59

MarkingBad · 23/02/2025 16:56

So if I work with men, am good at maths, mainly wear trousers, scratch my arse, swear, and belch, all of which I do, am I living as a man?

Edited

That's exactly my point. How do we know what gender we are? And more importantly how do some people know they are a certain gender?

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MarkingBad · 23/02/2025 17:03

peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 16:59

That's exactly my point. How do we know what gender we are? And more importantly how do some people know they are a certain gender?

Because you are special and unique just like the rest of us.

TBF I've never bothered much with social convention unless it suits me so I'm the worst person to ask!

I'm still a woman though I've grown tits and everything, I just don't accept that washing up and making tea is always my job and I've little to no empathy

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/02/2025 17:03

5128gap · 23/02/2025 16:55

What are typical male and female traits though? Has someone compiled a list we can assess ourselves against to determine our gender?

Pretty sure there is thousands of years of men telling us exactly that.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/02/2025 17:05

MarkingBad · 23/02/2025 16:56

So if I work with men, am good at maths, mainly wear trousers, scratch my arse, swear, and belch, all of which I do, am I living as a man?

Edited

Nope, worse than that, you're failing at living as a woman.

peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 17:05

why has @BarneyRonson post been deleted?

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Talonz · 23/02/2025 17:05

Can you define what Female Gender is?

I think Female means you have a vagina and therefore Female Gender means you have a vagina and based on personal choice:

do/ don't wear nail polish
do/ don't drink pints of Guinness
do/ don't belch afterwards
do/ don't fly airplanes for a living

takealettermsjones · 23/02/2025 17:05

Easy peasy.

When your friend's getting married, do you buy them nice presents or tie them naked to a lamppost?

Solved it. Next question please.

lifeturnsonadime · 23/02/2025 17:05

Good questions OP.

How does a man know he is female gender? Why does that make him think he IS a woman and should be in spaces for women which are reserved on the basis of sex?

Upstartled · 23/02/2025 17:06

peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 16:57

The thing is I am trying to fill out a form and it has asked me for my gender.
It won't let me skip it either but there's no key to explain what it means.

Click on whatever other option that there is and then type 'female (sex not gender)'

peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 17:06

Upstartled · 23/02/2025 17:06

Click on whatever other option that there is and then type 'female (sex not gender)'

There's no free text box unfortunately.

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OhSoSharkie · 23/02/2025 17:07

Gender is how (usually the white, elderly, well off, male-sexed) members of society deem I should look, act, or behave in order to satisfy their sexual fantasies, kinks, and gratifications.

MarkingBad · 23/02/2025 17:08

NeverDropYourMooncup · 23/02/2025 17:05

Nope, worse than that, you're failing at living as a woman.

😆😆😆

Ahh that's what it is! I knew there must be something.

Gatehouse77 · 23/02/2025 17:09

Gender is based on stereotypes and can change as has been shown historically. At one time pink was the ‘colour’ for boys and blue for girls. Men wore heels, make up, wigs, tights, etc. but over time they have become female gender stereotypes.

Some of it - the outward appearance - can be redefined as masculine or feminine and have no bearing on if you’re male or female. With many transgender people, but not all, you can see this played out with exaggerated forms of this which is the ‘pantomime’ as a PP said.

Some of it is based on misogyny (and misandry) and some on the physical differences. For example, males are strong, females are weak. Which includes emotionally too.

None of which changes what you are biologically. Women have fought long and hard to break down these gender stereotypes of what it means to be a woman but have still needed to be protected from the biological differences.

Why (some) people can stand up against conforming to stereotypes and still accept the biological realities astounds me.

You can be female without being feminine and you can be male without being masculine. It doesn’t change your biology.

Upstartled · 23/02/2025 17:09

peakedandoverthehill · 23/02/2025 17:06

There's no free text box unfortunately.

I hate this shit, it's like coercing you to declare which flavour of flat-earther you are.

5128gap · 23/02/2025 17:09

MarkingBad · 23/02/2025 16:56

So if I work with men, am good at maths, mainly wear trousers, scratch my arse, swear, and belch, all of which I do, am I living as a man?

Edited

No. I think it means you actually ARE a man. Because if I understand it correctly, those things make you of the male 'gender' and its gender not sex that decides whether you're a man or a woman. I'm very much hoping that my ability to parallel park will be balanced by my love of baking as I don't particularly want to be a man.

wherearemypastnames · 23/02/2025 17:09

Joe since sone people feel a gender distinct form sex then it's a feeling as to how you relate and see yourself in the world

As it's an abstract feeling not everyone will experience it or experience it in the same way

My experience is that gender is the set of expectations that others place on you because of my sex

No i won't make the tea
Yes my opinion is as valid as anyone else's
Yes I can change a lightbulb
Not I won't wear make up

Not everyone places these expectations on me but it is a societal default

I don't see myself as broken because I don't fit the expectations. This is because I externalise it - its society not me

Other people experience it more internally - they accept the stereotype and accept hat it doesn't fit them and then they feel happy identifying as transgender

Doesn't make them the opposite sex though
Just means I have little repeat for them as they are accepting and acting upon stereotypes that I think are wrong and have rejected

wherearemypastnames · 23/02/2025 17:10

Gosh spelling

Can't edit on the app

It's little respect not little repeat

From not form