Can you define what Female Gender is?

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I hear about biological sex and gender being different things but what is female gender? Surely if you can't define what having a female gender is, then how can it exist?

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YABU - I can define female gender and will write my definition as a post here.
YANBU - You can't define female gender

Gender stereotypes are always historically and geographically specific. They are ephemeral and shift like the sands.

They can blame the queer theorists for that one. But it's easily demonstrable simply by looking at contemporary photographs.

Most people seem to think that it's regressive stereotyping or that it doesn't exist, so why are kids being taught about it at school and why do I have to declare it on a form?

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I liked ponies as a child - I feel this might be my only saving grace as a femme

You don't have to declare anything - just refuse to answer. They cannot legally force you to state a gender from my understanding?

In most places, unless it may impact me professionally, I cross out gender and write sex: Female.

Gender is a social construct and doesn't really exist

But I want to apply for this job. I can't move on until I have answered this question, it's compulsory.

that is a VERY good question. And my take on it is: no. Because the gender that they are identifying into is a very silly made up western stereotype based on long hair, make up, and so on. Gender is a social construct of a very restrictive stereotype associated with your sex. Applies to male gender too, by the way ("boys don't cry" etc)

Funnily enough it is not about doing all the childcare, cleaning or looking after ageing relatives.

And i am going to take a punt that - although there are some cultures with ideas of 3rd genders or gender fluidity - in countries like Iran or Afghanistan there aren't many men identifying into a female identity. Although. In Iran if men are caught being gay, they can face prison (maybe death?) or a "sex change" operation (basically castrating them and "transing" the gay away). I am not sure how many men undergo that procedure or how voluntary it may be.

Oh, sorry - now I understand the free text comment above. I admit, I was skimming.

It's so limiting when you have to select an arbitrary box to define your life.

Go for non-binary for the tick box

We haven't even got a definition for female gender yet, steady on 😂

Why are they asking for this? 'Gender' isn't one of the protected characteristics in the U.K., there's sex and 'gender reassignment'.

Depending on what sort of employer it is, they may still just be treating 'gender' as a euphemism for 'sex' that doesn't make schoolboys snigger.

Anyhow of course 'female gender' is plain wrong unless they do really mean sex.

Sex = male or female
gender = masculine, feminine and then a varying list of alternatives.

Obviously there's no clear definition of what constitutes 'masculine' and 'feminine'.

is there an option for "other"? If you really want to apply for the job (I am currently looking for a job and this sometimes comes up) then either check "female" for gender and if you get to interview and they ask, just fudge. Or tick "other" - if you do that sometimes a text box pops up and you can write "i don't have a gender" - but you deffo won't get an interview.

On the other hand: if you are Gender Critical or Sex Realist, you may have worse issues to contend with working at or for a company that insists on knowing your "gender" before you even get a foot in the door.

The last job I applied for asked for my pronouns and the list was quite long starting with Ve/Ver/Vis

I don't think it's clearly definable. You can tell if someone is male or female just by appearance for the majority of people - body shape, face shape, a whole list of things that leads you to make an assumption.

Living as the opposite gender to me means changing whatever you can so that when someone looks at you they assume you are the gender that you want to appear as.

What other options are there? Choose the most mental one. 😆

And it will be easy for someone to come along and say, 'well, don't apply for the job then, you won't fit in!'

But it's true to say that many major employment sectors have been completely captured by this nonsense: health and education being two notable examples. You'd be hard-pushed to find one that hadn't.

And their power is waning. The tide is noticeably turning on this - far too slowly, but it's turning. The dam will likely break first in the area of the massive medical scandal that's already looming on the horizon in the wake of the Cass report and the Bell case now awaiting appeal. And various prominent court cases are now causing increasing numbers of people to see the light about the harm this ideology does to women and children in particular. Beginning a few years ago, numerous employers have started dropping Stonewall like a hot brick.

If your body is constructed around the production of large gametes, and in its typical state does (or did) produce large gametes, you're female. This is the only relevant criterion. All the rest is social construct.

It’s a social construct (not biological) and it depends upon your cultural norms and behaviours. Most cultures use a binary between male and female but some have totally separate genders. So defining female gender will depend on your background etc.

So, if a man in the UK says he has a female gender identity what does that actually mean.

Gender was created as a polite word that meant sex. It can still be used this way.

It has tilted a little towards sociological expectations/stereotypes of what is expected of the female sex. This varies widely between generations and different cultures.

Gender ideology on the other hand is a batshit idea that stereotypes is all that you are and somehow overrides scientific reality. In this belief system (that is open to criticism as are all belief systems) if you fit into a particular stereotype e.g 'like sewing/cars' then you must in fact have been born 'in the wrong body' and must immediately deny your biological reality and declare that you are in fact something very very special (and impossible) and in order to better fit into those ridiculous stereotypes you should harm your body through surgery and hormones.

I actually had that discussion with a trans person once who claimed gender (which in his opinion, was more relevant than sex) was defined by culture and had to admit that meant he could be 'classed' as female in one country, but if he flew to another, his gender could be considered male! Utter illogical, lunacy.

The lady-boys in Thailand are males that like to dress feminely - but they are still seen as males. Some even opt for breast implants...but they are still recognised as males! Its a shame western culture this hasn't evolve our transgender issue in the same way.

Chauvinism: The woman should do the dishes
Feminism: The man or the woman could do the dishes
Gender identity: the person doing the dishes is a woman

A female human is someone whose body is designed to produce large gametes. A male human is someone whose body is designed to produce small gametes.
Every human falls into one of those 2 categories. Someone who has a DSD still falls into one of those categories.