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Fantastic news from labour 2miilion extra appointments

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Tallerandtall · 17/02/2025 11:16

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4z4vw3p1do

isn’t this what we wanted!?
so let’s see how other things progress and stop moaning.
it is good progress.

but I bet the Tories and réformatics can’t help but moan.

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OneLemonGuide · 18/02/2025 11:31

WomensRightsRenegade · 18/02/2025 07:30

Anyone could have ‘stopped the strikes’ by just caving to everything they demanded. Hardly elite level diplomacy and negotiation. The effect of those buy-offs is causing most other people huge pain as the economy tanks

It’s a balance… Dealing with the strikes does seem to have had a positive impact on healthcare, so some investment was worth it.

If the way in which the Government dealt with those disputes leads to a big escalation in industrial action in the years ahead because the Government is too soft, and the economy and services suffer as a result, then I’ll re-evaluate.

Also, I don’t think the country’s economic woes are really due to settling a few pay disputes, expensive as they might have been… especially as there was an economic impact in NOT settling the disputes.

The issue has far more to do with Labour’s taxation of business, undermining consumer confidence, and generally causing an economic malaise without a coherent plan and strong vision for the country…. Something I’ve been very critical of the Government over.

OneLemonGuide · 18/02/2025 11:37

bigvig · 18/02/2025 07:51

Starmer dressed in military uniform threatening to send British troops to the Ukraine just when there's a chance of peace. I think I'll keep moaning actually.

Wtf are you talking about? I dislike Starmer and the current Government, but if we can only get peace if we project strength… It’s a pretty basic truism in international relations.

OneLemonGuide · 18/02/2025 11:38

we can only get peace if we project strength… . …. no preceding “if” needed.

OneLemonGuide · 18/02/2025 11:47

ForRealCat · 18/02/2025 10:29

The comparison period includes 12 days of doctors strikes. Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Yes, Labour have got it running smoothly again, so it is a fair comparison. If things have improved, there will always be a reason! It’s absurd to say “it’s not a fair comparison because there’s a reason for why things have improved”.

Also, I have been extremely critical of the government on various threads, but I’ll give them credit in this case. I’m fed up with those, on both sides, who insist on being tribal come what may…. and painting politics as some kind of childish “we are goodies, you are baddies” nonsense where the other side can’t do anything right by definition. If you want that kind of tribalism in your life, just go support a football team!

TheignT · 18/02/2025 11:55

bigvig · 18/02/2025 07:51

Starmer dressed in military uniform threatening to send British troops to the Ukraine just when there's a chance of peace. I think I'll keep moaning actually.

Isn't it about them going in as peacekeepers. Obviously you need peace for that to work.

OneLemonGuide · 18/02/2025 12:06

TheignT · 18/02/2025 11:55

Isn't it about them going in as peacekeepers. Obviously you need peace for that to work.

Of course it is, but I suspect @bigvig is a big consumer of Pro-Putin accounts on X.

Stirabout · 18/02/2025 16:47

OneLemonGuide · 18/02/2025 05:55

I’m not a fan of the Government, but the fact that they stopped the strikes and have therefore enabled appointments to rise is a good thing, and therefore it’s a reasonable comparison.

Agree it’s brilliant that we don’t have strikes and people are being payed a wage they deserve but

If relevant statistics are required you always compare like for like.
This isn’t, so they are currently irrelevant.

cardibach · 18/02/2025 16:55

Stirabout · 18/02/2025 16:47

Agree it’s brilliant that we don’t have strikes and people are being payed a wage they deserve but

If relevant statistics are required you always compare like for like.
This isn’t, so they are currently irrelevant.

Edited

So is your contention that if Labour change anything about a system we then can’t possibly judge whether it’s improved? That seems mad.

Stirabout · 18/02/2025 17:06

cardibach · 18/02/2025 16:55

So is your contention that if Labour change anything about a system we then can’t possibly judge whether it’s improved? That seems mad.

Well no of course not.
In order to get accurate stats we need to make valid and relevant comparisons.
So
Im guessing, well assuming, statisticians will accurately do just that.

For example
Why not compare Jan,Feb,March 2024 with the same this year
Or any months and years tbh when there isn’t a crisis that could squew the figures. Labour have chosen the months that we had nhs strikes and masses of cancelled appointment’s

Whose bright idea was that!

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 18/02/2025 17:07

That'll be for the illegal immigrants

cardibach · 18/02/2025 17:12

Stirabout · 18/02/2025 17:06

Well no of course not.
In order to get accurate stats we need to make valid and relevant comparisons.
So
Im guessing, well assuming, statisticians will accurately do just that.

For example
Why not compare Jan,Feb,March 2024 with the same this year
Or any months and years tbh when there isn’t a crisis that could squew the figures. Labour have chosen the months that we had nhs strikes and masses of cancelled appointment’s

Whose bright idea was that!

Because the numbers for March this year haven’t happened yet maybe?

Stirabout · 18/02/2025 17:15

cardibach · 18/02/2025 17:12

Because the numbers for March this year haven’t happened yet maybe?

So wait then.
There’s plenty of time for people to praise their good works without using irrelevant stats.

Either Labour are desperate for a Pat on the back, worried they are losing support, think we are just all stupid we won’t notice or just like to lie….? Who knows!

But None of these are reasons for jumping the gun on this….
They need to wait for relevant comparisons

Keepingittogetherstepbystep · 18/02/2025 17:21

It good news but there's still plenty of work to do. I'm supposed to be on 4 month follow ups for renal issues. Last appointment was Nov 2023 next appointment just been cancelled.

My mum's just had a 7 month wait for a referral, 1dt appointment was cancelled went to rearranged appointment to be told it's cancelled hasn't anyone told you. Luckily she had to go elsewhere in the hospital and the receptionist came to find us apologising and making it out they'd squeezed her in. Nurse said that's rubbish they made a mistake.

Potsofpetals · 18/02/2025 20:24

ExtraOnions · 18/02/2025 09:43

What do you mean “no wonder he keeps his kids hidden” … sounds like a threat against children.

How did he lie about Southport? How did he lie about rape gangs? Since when was the army made up of purely of the working classes, and of men ? (Check your misogyny)

How are “Muslim men imported”?

The reason it’s so hard to talk to people like you, is it’s just a load misinformed nonesense. You not quoted one fact …

There you go with your bullshit. In a timely twist that I couldn’t make up a 78 year old family friend fell down his stairs this morning. I’ve spent most of my afternoon trying to jump through hoops to pay for an amenity bed in a private room for him as I refuse to let anybody I know sit in a corridor for hours waiting for a ward bed.

That greasy oik Starmer does keep his children hidden away. Have we ever seen them. No we have not. Where did I threaten anyone? It is a fact that he keeps them out of the public eye. Engage your brain instead of fighting against people just because you think they vote conservative. Just fyi, that ship sailed away a while ago for me.

I googled Socio-economic backgrounds of army recruits for you as you want some facts.

50% of recruits come from a deprived background
16% were long term unemployed before joining
60% left school with no academic qualifications
40% joined the army as a last resort
Recruitment in deprived areas

From 2013 to 2018, army recruitment of 16- and 17-year-olds was 57% higher in the poorest fifth of constituencies than the richest fifth. Army recruitment marketing focuses on the poorest towns and cities. There are no newer figures but the percentages won’t have changed. I would hasten to bet the percentage is higher.

Yes there are those from better off backgrounds serving but they mainly go onto become officers. I don’t need to check my anything. These are the cold hard facts.

With regards to Southport, he knew about the Al-Qaeda manual and ricin and chose to cover it up on the grounds it would “affect the trial”. What utter bollocks. All he had to say was he believed the murders to be terrorist related. This would not have affected the trial. We knew the murder of Lee Rigby was terrorist related. Did his murderers still get locked up? Yes they did. The public has a right to know.

Every day we allow Muslim men to enter our country unchecked. 99790 claimed asylum in 2024. 57000 of them were men over 18. 12000 men were under 18. From past experience we know that some of these under 18s will in fact be over 18. The UK doesn’t record religion data which is hilarious because I fill in my religion on every form I’m asked to complete these days but anyhoo Germany does. In 2023 73% of asylum seekers in Germany were Muslim. Given the country of origin of the people claiming asylum in the Uk Iran, Afghan, Iraq, Albania, Pakistan you would assume the same has to be applied here give or take a few percent.

I have no problem with asylum seekers. I don’t give a toss that there are thousands of Vietnamese workers entering the country either through the black market or genuine asylum. They don’t rape little girls.

There are 25000 nurses in the uk from the Philippines. I couldn’t care less. They work hard. I would have no problem with them fetching their husbands and children here for a better life. They don’t hang around street corners intimidating women or murder their housemates ‘for the people of Gaza’

The men arriving on small boats are unchecked and a menace. I say that, the rise in the reform party says that and the Pakistani in-laws of my sister complain more than I do. They came here and worked hard and feel like the legacy of what they achieved is being tarnished. They are worried that their grand children are going to look like them rather than my blonde haired sister.

Racial tensions are rising and screaming racist at everyone isn’t going to wash any more. We have to deal with undocumented men arriving on uk soil that go on to rape, harm and kill. Before you say I can’t tar everyone with the same brush , I absolutely can. The safety of children is more important than a grown man’s feelings.

If Keir Starmer wants people on side, all he has to do is deal with the backlog. The last stats shows the ‘work in progress’ asylum caseload was 224,700 cases. Of which 87,200 cases were awaiting an initial decision and 137,500 cases had received an initial refusal and were awaiting some kind of further action. He needs to deal with the 137500. Hire the staff needed to deport them as fast as possible. They are economic migrants not asylum seekers. It is ridiculous that we are paying for these people to sit in limbo for months and years on end.

OneLemonGuide · 18/02/2025 20:29

Stirabout · 18/02/2025 16:47

Agree it’s brilliant that we don’t have strikes and people are being payed a wage they deserve but

If relevant statistics are required you always compare like for like.
This isn’t, so they are currently irrelevant.

Edited

I’m generally all for comparing like with like, and appreciate the fact there were strikes over the period last year is important context, but I’m not really sure what you’re wanting here…

If the increase was due to, say, an increase in the number of consultants appointed due to Labour policy, would you still be saying:

“No! We need to compare like with like, and somehow assess if there would have been any change without Government action… and then judge Government performance based on a scenario that excludes the impact of their action” ??

Presumably you wouldn’t, as negating the impact of public policy decisions when assessing the success of public sector service delivery would be completely pointless and absurd!

So I’m struggling to see the issue you have here given it was Labour who chose to take the necessary action to end the dispute that led to disruption in medical appointments.

You may believe that the action taken by Government to achieve this was wasteful or unnecessary, but that’s a different issue.

Stirabout · 18/02/2025 20:52

OneLemonGuide · 18/02/2025 20:29

I’m generally all for comparing like with like, and appreciate the fact there were strikes over the period last year is important context, but I’m not really sure what you’re wanting here…

If the increase was due to, say, an increase in the number of consultants appointed due to Labour policy, would you still be saying:

“No! We need to compare like with like, and somehow assess if there would have been any change without Government action… and then judge Government performance based on a scenario that excludes the impact of their action” ??

Presumably you wouldn’t, as negating the impact of public policy decisions when assessing the success of public sector service delivery would be completely pointless and absurd!

So I’m struggling to see the issue you have here given it was Labour who chose to take the necessary action to end the dispute that led to disruption in medical appointments.

You may believe that the action taken by Government to achieve this was wasteful or unnecessary, but that’s a different issue.

If there is an increase due to the number of consultants being increased then they would have carried out the analysis at an appropriate time to reflect an accurate comparison.
( there is however a huge shortage of consultants with the emphasis only on increasing Uni medical students )
Happy to wait for those official stats in the hope there is an increase in appointments.

If you RTFT you’ll see I have already commented on Labours pay deals, but that’s irrelevant here.

My comments relate to pointless stats.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 18/02/2025 22:33

I must be very lucky as we have an excellent medical centre in our town. This is my latest experience - having abdominal pains so called first thing, had an appointment 2 hours later, referred for an ultrasound scan, had blood tests 4 days, GP calls me 24 hours later to say blood tests are abnormal and he was going to expedite the scan and to repeat blood tests after a week, he booked me in there and then6. Had another phone consultation, scan 2 weeks after that, a phone call from the duty GP 3 hours later (nearly fell off the chair) to say I had gallstones and she was referring me for an urgent appointment at the local hospital, confirmation of this the next day via email and today I was sent an appointment an MRCP for next week! I can't ask for better than that!
Labour is going in the right direction so I think they deserve some credit.

tallcurvey · 19/02/2025 02:24

@DetectiveSleuth

  1. the strikes were caused by Tory pay policy.
  2. the dichotomy is people want services in the uk but dont want to pay tax
  3. i agree that companies with RE structures should pay tax on sales as the profits are hidden in to lower cost countries.this would have been better than such a large NI rise.
  4. also internet companies above a certain size should pay more tax.

BUT NONE OF THIS DISTRACTS FROM THIS GOOD NEWS.
i bet your family are also secretly sick of you nay sayer moaning FFS!

daisychain01 · 19/02/2025 02:35

Why are people blaming Labour for the strikes? The strikes were going on during the last year of Tory government and were a consequence of the Tories refusing to discuss Junior Doctors pay. Labour elected in, then they sorted out the JDs. Do people have such short memories?

my DH had been waiting for an appointment, he saw the hospital yesterday. I think it does depend on area and Trust as to how soon they can see people. We live in a rural area so probably got seen quicker, or got a cancellation, difficult to say

Stirabout · 19/02/2025 02:57

user1471516498 · 18/02/2025 11:23

If its the picture I am thinking of, it was a photoshop job.

No they weren’t.
There were two articles in different papers reporting on sending troops to Ukraine and in both articles Starmer was in military uniform. ( neither were recent shots though they were simply highlighting the military aspect )
I don’t know why anyone would find this shocking or unbelievable though 🤷‍♀️

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 19/02/2025 08:05

Was it the picture of him in camouflage when he went to estonia?

its not like he is trotting round Sainsburys

TheignT · 19/02/2025 12:38

Potsofpetals · 18/02/2025 20:24

There you go with your bullshit. In a timely twist that I couldn’t make up a 78 year old family friend fell down his stairs this morning. I’ve spent most of my afternoon trying to jump through hoops to pay for an amenity bed in a private room for him as I refuse to let anybody I know sit in a corridor for hours waiting for a ward bed.

That greasy oik Starmer does keep his children hidden away. Have we ever seen them. No we have not. Where did I threaten anyone? It is a fact that he keeps them out of the public eye. Engage your brain instead of fighting against people just because you think they vote conservative. Just fyi, that ship sailed away a while ago for me.

I googled Socio-economic backgrounds of army recruits for you as you want some facts.

50% of recruits come from a deprived background
16% were long term unemployed before joining
60% left school with no academic qualifications
40% joined the army as a last resort
Recruitment in deprived areas

From 2013 to 2018, army recruitment of 16- and 17-year-olds was 57% higher in the poorest fifth of constituencies than the richest fifth. Army recruitment marketing focuses on the poorest towns and cities. There are no newer figures but the percentages won’t have changed. I would hasten to bet the percentage is higher.

Yes there are those from better off backgrounds serving but they mainly go onto become officers. I don’t need to check my anything. These are the cold hard facts.

With regards to Southport, he knew about the Al-Qaeda manual and ricin and chose to cover it up on the grounds it would “affect the trial”. What utter bollocks. All he had to say was he believed the murders to be terrorist related. This would not have affected the trial. We knew the murder of Lee Rigby was terrorist related. Did his murderers still get locked up? Yes they did. The public has a right to know.

Every day we allow Muslim men to enter our country unchecked. 99790 claimed asylum in 2024. 57000 of them were men over 18. 12000 men were under 18. From past experience we know that some of these under 18s will in fact be over 18. The UK doesn’t record religion data which is hilarious because I fill in my religion on every form I’m asked to complete these days but anyhoo Germany does. In 2023 73% of asylum seekers in Germany were Muslim. Given the country of origin of the people claiming asylum in the Uk Iran, Afghan, Iraq, Albania, Pakistan you would assume the same has to be applied here give or take a few percent.

I have no problem with asylum seekers. I don’t give a toss that there are thousands of Vietnamese workers entering the country either through the black market or genuine asylum. They don’t rape little girls.

There are 25000 nurses in the uk from the Philippines. I couldn’t care less. They work hard. I would have no problem with them fetching their husbands and children here for a better life. They don’t hang around street corners intimidating women or murder their housemates ‘for the people of Gaza’

The men arriving on small boats are unchecked and a menace. I say that, the rise in the reform party says that and the Pakistani in-laws of my sister complain more than I do. They came here and worked hard and feel like the legacy of what they achieved is being tarnished. They are worried that their grand children are going to look like them rather than my blonde haired sister.

Racial tensions are rising and screaming racist at everyone isn’t going to wash any more. We have to deal with undocumented men arriving on uk soil that go on to rape, harm and kill. Before you say I can’t tar everyone with the same brush , I absolutely can. The safety of children is more important than a grown man’s feelings.

If Keir Starmer wants people on side, all he has to do is deal with the backlog. The last stats shows the ‘work in progress’ asylum caseload was 224,700 cases. Of which 87,200 cases were awaiting an initial decision and 137,500 cases had received an initial refusal and were awaiting some kind of further action. He needs to deal with the 137500. Hire the staff needed to deport them as fast as possible. They are economic migrants not asylum seekers. It is ridiculous that we are paying for these people to sit in limbo for months and years on end.

Lots of people in the public eye keep their children out of it. Who has any need to see his children?

TheignT · 19/02/2025 12:40

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 18/02/2025 22:33

I must be very lucky as we have an excellent medical centre in our town. This is my latest experience - having abdominal pains so called first thing, had an appointment 2 hours later, referred for an ultrasound scan, had blood tests 4 days, GP calls me 24 hours later to say blood tests are abnormal and he was going to expedite the scan and to repeat blood tests after a week, he booked me in there and then6. Had another phone consultation, scan 2 weeks after that, a phone call from the duty GP 3 hours later (nearly fell off the chair) to say I had gallstones and she was referring me for an urgent appointment at the local hospital, confirmation of this the next day via email and today I was sent an appointment an MRCP for next week! I can't ask for better than that!
Labour is going in the right direction so I think they deserve some credit.

That sounds like excellent care. Hope it all continues to go well for you.

cardibach · 19/02/2025 12:40

Stirabout · 19/02/2025 02:57

No they weren’t.
There were two articles in different papers reporting on sending troops to Ukraine and in both articles Starmer was in military uniform. ( neither were recent shots though they were simply highlighting the military aspect )
I don’t know why anyone would find this shocking or unbelievable though 🤷‍♀️

You’ll have a link then. I’ve literally never seen Starmer in military uniform. He was never in the military and doesn’t pretend to have been, so why would he be?

cardibach · 19/02/2025 12:43

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 19/02/2025 08:05

Was it the picture of him in camouflage when he went to estonia?

its not like he is trotting round Sainsburys

Ah, I see! Camouflage.
Not ‘military uniform’, just safe clothing for a situation.
Military uniform conjures up dress uniform and medals, which is what the poster wanted I think.
Also he Ewan’s t ‘in military uniform announcing British troops would go’. At one time he wore camouflage for everyone’s safety. At another time he announced that if a peace keeping force were needed, Britain would send troops.
Not at all the vibe the poster tried to conjure up. Such dishonesty.

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