To be disgusted at the talks between Russia and the US

[SunnyDayInFeb]

So Russia and the US are meeting in Saudia Arabia to carve up Ukraine.

And Ukraine, whose people have been fighting and dying since their country was invaded, haven't even been invited to the table.

It's like we are back in the 19th century with the European colonial powers drawing lines on a map to divide Africa between them.

Obviously not give into Russia? They already have

@LifeExperience Ukraine are not asking the US to rebuild their country.

Well, people's DCs who have chosen to join the military.

We aren't talking conscription.

So you and others are posting support, what is stopping the peacekeeping from becoming combat and then what?

It's an easy sell that's for sure to get troops involved this way

Yup!

@sleepwouldbenice forgive me but I thought putin wanted the entirety of Ukraine

It looks like the gung ho posters might not get to see troops sent anyway reading up on other leaders' responses

'Britain was on its own for 1 year'.

No it absolutely fucking wasn't. Back then Britain had an enormous empire and made sure all its dominions and colonies lined up with them to provide personnel and materiel with a range of coercion, deals and diplomacy. It was an entirely different world. It's true that what showed the naked truth of the changeover in power was that the UK was indeed paying the US back for decades, because even then we couldn't afford the war we were eventually involved with.

He still wants that and more. He will keep going after a pause, just like after 2014

I find this difficult to understand when in reality, the times article 5 of NATO has been invoked it has been at the behest of the US: Other NATO nations have had their soldiers dying in wars started by the US, never the other way around since NATO came into being. But propoganda is everything.

@sleepwouldbenice right so he's not going to be given Ukraine. There is no appeaseing, the war hopefully will stop and America said it doesn't want a temporary peace it wants solid long standing peace

Puerto Rico and Guam were taken by force from Spain in 1898.
The population of America Samoa has no political representation and the islands became an American possession in 1899.
Hawaii was annexed by the US in 1898 - In 1893 the Queen was illegally deposed by American businessmen (who included members of Dole family) with help from the US Marines.

None of these were "deals" in the sense that none of the resident populations had any say in how they became American possessions. Not all of the deals are the same - Hawaii is now a US State, but Puerto Ricans and Samoans have far fewer rights than US citizens have.

And what if Greenlanders want to remain Danish (which many don't) or become independent of any colonial powers? Why does Trump think that 2025 is the same as 1898 and that he will just be allowed to annex, buy or invade any country that he feels like taking over? What does he think the world's response will be if he does decide to invade any country - or does he believe that if he allows Putin to freely invade anywhere east of the River Oder, he'll be allowed to threaten anywhere west of there?

Blimey that invokes a somewhat aggressive reaponse?

The point was that the US didnt become fully involved until the 11th hour whereby we had used all our resources (and future £££) and yes to your point resources of those colonies that were part of the then empire. Yes it seems we couldnt afford the war, yet making a stand against the nazis was that something we should have decided against if we coudnt afford it, much like ukraine, ironically.

Why is he posing wanting to be involved in discussions about the future of his own country?

That's not what I posted, @SunnyDayInFeb; what I actually wrote was that "despite the posing - (Zelensky's) simply not one of the big players who Putin's likely to listen to", and as said several times he'll obviously have to be involved in any ongoing negotiations if anything worthwhile comes of the Trump/Putin talks

An interesting post, LifeExperience. I'm well aware of how many Americans feel about this issue, but it's unusual - at least on here - to see it so starkly put

FWIW I agree completely about the constant paying-out the US is asked to do, but it was amusing at best to see someone insist that Ukraine won't also expect them to pay for its rebuilding

As if

Typo

@Motomum23 You've seen videos? Do you have a source for that?

Unless you mean the Trade Union House in Odesa and you haven't understood what was happening.

By the way Odesa is in Ukraine. People speaking Russian doesn't mean they are russian

It's an aggressive response because I can't stand people using this 'Britain stood alone' nonsense. I know we've kind of buried our history of expansionist colonialism but we owe it to the people we exploited at the very least to acknowledge they existed.

What DID you mean by "posing"?

Please stop putting words into other people's mouths.

The US has spent something like $120bn on Ukraine and the EU something like $55bn. Europe has been persistently warned to up their defence budgets and has done relatively little about it.

Russia is no longer a threat to the US so I can understand why most Americans want the war to end,

Great news. Time to decommission nuclear weapons then!

It's completely gobsmacking to read some of the posts

Victim blaming. It's disgusting

Can you confirm whether or not you are talking about conscription?

@OrangePeel2 there are still other Nuclear powers who are a threat to the USA and who, unlike Russia, are not on the road to bankruptcy.

In any case, Trump has said he would like to sit down with Xi and Putin and achieve an agreement to cut their military spending in half. Wouldn’t that be something amazing.

I’m sorry hear you are fed up with the war in Ukraine. But as someone who is 1/2 Latvian 1/2 Ukrainian and lived in Ukraine under USSR for the first 12 years of my life I can’t help but disagree. I don’t want my country being carved up for Putin because a load of ethnic Russians live there. What’s next - we give Putin Daugavapils in Latvia just so his little ethnics can feel as one again with mother Russia. If they don’t like the countries they live in they need to go back to the motherland- but there is a reason they stay….

Just given the parts he's taken through violent invasion?
And there won't be long standing peace, putin will pause then carry on