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Struggling to hide my disappointment at DD returning to a sleepy village

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Cazzai · 14/02/2025 06:56

Okay, first of all this is no hate on village life, I have lived in a village my whole life, as has my son and we couldn't be happier but this about DD specifically.

My DD is 26, we have lived in a relatively poor Scottish village, honestly it is the type of place that is really hard to get out of, I remember having a conversation with DD where we realised only 3 people from my DDs class of 25 in primary school had moved out of the immediate area at 25. Staying in the area is pretty limiting too, it is commuting distance from Glasgow but the reality is, education is poor, there are massive drug issues and so many young people around here just fall onto these paths. My son has never really managed to escape the cycle, he didn't get great grades at school, pissed around with the wrong people through college and while he is now building a career it is unlikely he will ever leave this area and his kids will no doubt face many of the struggles he has.
My DD however has been one of the lucky few who seem to have been able to break the cycle, she got the top grades for her year at her school, studied abroad for 4 years becoming the first person in our family to get a degree (extending to aunts/uncles and cousins too), saved while studying and managed to do a little over a year of travel (some what difficult thanks to covid) and then settled in Australia to do a 3 year post grad, which she just finished at the end of last year. I think it is beyond remarkable what she has achieved from having a less than ideal start and I'm so incredibly proud of her.
She is also engaged, they've been together 2 years and he proposed at Christmas. He is a bit older than her (34), but also by almost sheer coincidence is Scottish.
DD has recently announced they will be moving back to Scotland, her partner is a teacher and has a job offer for a private school, senior leadership role next school year, they will be coming in April/May. They have decided on looking for a house in some villages 40 minutes or so from the city he will be working in, this is where his family live and while they are more affluent villages than ours, it is still very much sleepy, rural Scotland. They have said they are coming back as they want to start a family and they want their future children to be close to their extended family.
Now don't get me wrong I'm delighted DD will be close again, for the first time in 8 years I will be able to just go meet her for lunch, but if I'm honest, I'm a little devastated too, she worked so hard for all the success she has achieved and now she's giving up all that adventure and freedom.
In my head I know it is irrational, but my heart just feels sad and I don't think I'm hiding it very well either. DD said the last time we spoke "you don't seem all that excited about me coming back". AIBU to be a little disappointed that she is giving it all up after all the work she put in to get out?

OP posts:
FiveBarGate · 14/02/2025 09:38

Eh?

I live in a Scottish village and it's nothing like you describe.

40 minutes can be a world away in terms of what places are like as you've identified.

Is this less about location and more about her limiting her opportunities to facilitate his career?

Emotionalsupporthamster · 14/02/2025 09:41

You’re living vicariously through her, it’s not fair. She’s not announced she’s coming home to live in your spare room and never get a job, she’s just moving into the next phase of her life and it happens to be less urban focused.

For many people city living gets old after a while, particularly if you’ve grown up somewhere with open skies. It can get oppressive, everyone living on top of each other, that’s even if you live in the ‘nice’ parts. City living is certainly not a marker of success or living an adventurous lifestyle in itself.

SereneCapybara · 14/02/2025 09:47

Please start by getting touch with her and reassuring her you are over the moon for selfish reasons that she will be nearby and is planning a family. be honest and say if you sounded hesitant, it is because you were so glad she had outgrown the village where she grew up and felt an instinctive worry that she was returning to a small scale world.

But as PP have said - she has already done what you hoped - got two degrees, travelled widely, lived and worked abroad. And she is not returning to your (as you describe it) deadbeat village, but to a more genteel area. Village life can be a great way to raise young children. Her DH has a good job, so they won't be stuck in poverty. And many highly skilled, well paid roles are now WFH, so she too could get a good job, despite being based in a village.

I'd have given anything to be close to family who wanted to be involved when DC were small.

Tiredofallthis101 · 14/02/2025 09:47

I think you should be confident that the life experience she has had so far means she will not find herself trapped in the way you feel your son is. She could do a few years there and then decide she wants to eg move to the US. She has the skills and experience to break out of the cycle. So I wouldn't worry about her- enjoy the fact that she will be close again. :-)

DazzlingCuckoos · 14/02/2025 09:52

Firstly, I would take it as a massive compliment that despite the challenges your village has, your DD sees her childhood as lovely enough that she aspires to bring her own children up in village life.

Assuming she will pick a "better" village than she was brought up in, I don't see anything bad in what she's doing. I have a hectic and stressful workload and the idea of not having so much stress, away from a city, living a quieter village life sounds idyllic to me.

Peclet · 14/02/2025 09:58

I know many families who would give their right arm for their adult children to be closer and potential subsequent children.

try and reframe it.

Howmanycatsistoomany · 14/02/2025 09:59

Cazzai · 14/02/2025 07:40

I'm not sure if I can think of exact equivalents be but we are in Ayrshire, and our catchment school is among the worst in Ayrshire (which in itself doesn't exactly have amazing schools!), she is looking at the area north of Glasgow, around Killearn/Balfron where I think the catchment school is in the top 30 in Scotland - so top 10%.

So good schools and within an easy commute of Glasgow, Stirling, Edinburgh for jobs. Several excellent local universities (and no tuition fees). I really don't understand the problem here.

IamwhoIsayIam · 14/02/2025 10:02

If she thinks growing up in a village is nicer than in a city, now she has sampled both, you can take pride that you gave her a village childhood that she remembers fondly. It didn't hinder her, it might not hinder her children and she is obviously excited to return to her roots.

I grew up in a small town and many people did move away probably half my class, but many who have very successful careers are returning to bring up their own children. The success she has in life is that she now she has choices.

MrsAvocet · 14/02/2025 10:05

We live in a village in an area where a lot of young people stay in the area working at one of a couple of main employers. There are indeed a lot of great things about living here - we moved here by choice 25 years ago and never regretted it - but I think quite a lot of the youngsters limit their horizons which is a shame. I didn't want that for my DC and so have always encouraged them to move away for University, to experience life elsewhere and meet a more diverse range of people. But I've also always said that if they then want to return to this area later, that's of course fine. As it is if they don't. What matters is that they have choice.
My eldest has settled in a small town, middle one wants to return to our home area when he graduates and youngest is currently embracing big city life. I'm very happy for them all as they are making their own paths and they're happy. There's more than one way to be a success.

HamptonPlace · 14/02/2025 10:06

LlynTegid · 14/02/2025 07:09

If your DD understands the good and bad of village life, and her husband to be is a good man, then I think you should be supportive. You also will have the opportunity if I understand correctly to have a part in the life of your grandchildren, should you become a grandparent.

It sounds like the village is one of those in the first verse of 'letter from America' by the Proclaimers, not the second verse.

There are no scottish villages in first verse, and only one of the the scottish villages in the song meets the criteria. East Lotian or Fife I should have thought?

HamptonPlace · 14/02/2025 10:08

movintothecountry · 14/02/2025 07:12

I live in London so maybe my view is skewed, but isn't an affluent village 40 mins outside of Glasgow (sorry if I got that wrong) kind of the dream for a lot of people? Near enough to a major city to take advantage of restaurants and shopping etc, but rural living with what sounds like good jobs? Plus family nearby to see regularly but not on top of you?

Her life is not over, she may stay for 20-25 years and raise kids or they may move on. Sounds like she's done well educationally so she's not trapped in the way that you describe the people where you live? She can go anywhere and do anything else I'd she decides she wants to? Be happy for her and try not to worry unnecessarily Flowers

i should think the city is Edinburgh...

iolaus · 14/02/2025 10:11

She's not giving up HER freedom, her freedom is that she has the CHOICE to live where she wants to - and she wants a small village life

You clearly aren't completely satisfied with the life you have had, but you can't force your daughter to live the life you wanted - she's picked the life she wants.

She's seen the alternatives so she's making that choice, she wants her children to have the sort of childhood she had

SnoozingFox · 14/02/2025 10:15

HamptonPlace · 14/02/2025 10:08

i should think the city is Edinburgh...

Absolutely, everyone in Glasgow has to be either a drug addict or living in a tenement slum. 🙄

LucyMonth · 14/02/2025 10:17

I am 100% with you OP but I think your concern is misplaced.

To me the village life isn’t the red flag it’s the fiancé. I was 24 and in a relationship with a 34 year old. It definitely made me “settle down” quicker than I would have had a been with someone my own age. Luckily I never married that man and went on to have more adventures before meeting someone closer to my own age to settle down with.

I know 26 isn’t super young to start a family but would she really, honestly be looking to move to a village and be a wee wifey at home with the kids while her husband focuses on his career if he wasn’t 34?

It looks like she hasn’t even actually started any sort of career yet and has no intention to. She just wants to skip straight to SAHP. I’d be disappointed too if I were you.

YellowSubmaBoat · 14/02/2025 10:21

NC to comment. I'd tread carefully with what you say to her.

I grew up in a working class poor area. School was rough. I enjoyed learning and wanted to see the world. I felt like I didn't fit in with the people there. I spent my teenage years desperately wanting to get out. I used to watch sitcoms and imagine moving to New York and having a sitcom life with the job and the friends and the apartment in some high rise.

I moved away to a city for uni then a further away even bigger city for postgrad. Then I lived abroad working in different countries all across the world. I travelled a lot. I do not regret it at all. I have some amazing memories. I learned so much and became more open-minded and I feel it's made me who I am today. I wouldn't trade those experiences for the world.

However, once I wanted to settle down and have kids I was really drawn to going 'home'. I've come back now and I don't regret it - although my focus is trying to live in a nicer area and get DS into one of the nicer schools. I know a lot of people probably see it as me now being trapped or giving up a wonderful life to come back to this, but I don't see it like that at all.

There's so much to be said for being close to family, and for a child being close to their extended family. My parents and siblings were the only ones I had a close family relationship with growing up. My grandparents, aunties, uncles, cousins etc didn't live too close and I had varying levels of closeness with them. In adulthood I have only an acquaintance level of relationship with my extended family. When all of my grandparents passed away, most of the loss I felt wasn't really for me but more a sadness for my parents because they'd lost their parents. When we did visit my grandparents, I always felt like I was performing and once I got home I'd let out a deep breath and feel I could go back to normal.

Other people I knew growing up saw their grandparents loads, they'd spend time with them without parents, talk on the phone all the time and generally just seem to feel completely comfortable with them. I did kind of envy that and as soon as I had a child, I knew I wanted him to have that.

I absolutely love seeing DS' relationship with his extended family. He loves them so much. He's comfortable enough to be naughty. He is shy with most people but runs up to them when he sees them. His cousins are all older and adore him.

It's the small things. It's the difference of being able to go around for a cup of tea rather than needing to go for a 'visit' for a weekend or week like a special occasion. It's my brother popping a 'fancy going to the pub for lunch?' in the family chat and knowing it doesn't need to be planned in advance because everyone's nearby.

When I was living abroad in a big city, I did make friends quickly and we were all so far from home that friends kind of became like family. It was the closest to the sitcom-life I'd dreamed about that I think you could really get in real life. We saw each other constantly, went on holiday together etc. However, when a friendship ends because of falling out or people moving away or whatever, you realise it's not even sort of as unconditional or stable as those family bonds are. It's why for most people, having both family and friend bonds around is the ideal although obviously not everyone is lucky enough to get that.

Amongst the expat communities I was in, there was a real shared feeling that almost everyone who'd been there a long time echoed, which was that you can become quite jaded with how transient everyone in your life is. These are the same conversations I've had with people living in places from Australia, Dubai or Vietnam.

Talking smaller than that - just moving to maybe a big city in the UK that's a bit more young and trendy and has stuff going on. Maybe Edinburgh or London or whatever. It's not some magic solution. It's not easy trying to make really close friends as an adult in a new place when everyone already has a lot of established friendships. You can go to all the groups and meetups and have hobbies, but to move from a relationship of "person at my writers group who I like and chat to" to "person I can call in the middle of the night when something's gone wrong" is not an easy leap.

Having family around, especially when you're in the thick of it with a newborn really cannot be underestimated. I'm not talking 'free babysitter' - I'm just talking about having a hug and a cup of tea, and someone else to try burping him when it feels like you just cannot do it anymore.

I think when people say things to me about how awful it is here, they're projecting their own feelings of wishing they'd seen the world. The thing is, for me, I've seen what I wanted to see. I did it and I don't regret it but it doesn't mean it's the life I want forever. I feel like the teenage me who wanted all that stuff got it and is satisfied.

I don't feel like I've lost the benefits of that stuff when I returned. I still have the memories and experiences and all the positives that came with it. I feel like if tomorrow I decided I wanted to move to Thailand, for example, I'd happily apply for a job, be able to sort it, get on a flight and wouldn't feel particularly nervous. I'd feel quite confident I have the ability to negotiate a good package, and navigate being there. To me, I don't feel like I've gone back to being trapped because I feel like the door is always open.

There are always pros and cons. I am aware that I'm making a choice to raise DS here, when I could just as easily be raising him in some big, international, trendy city where he'd speak several languages and have lots of extra-curricular opportunities open to him. I do take that seriously and do have moments of worrying about that.

At the same time, I've weighed everything up and decided that the benefits of having close family ties outweighs it right now. All I can do is try and balance things the best I can by trying to make sure he's raised to value the things I want him to value, give him the opportunities I can and try to live in a nicer area.

A lot of the people critical of, or confused about my decision, I think wish they'd gone off and done things themselves and see it as the inherently better option, no matter what the situation. I don't see it that way.

Living in a big city, working in a fancy office block etc. is not all there is to life. Humans are naturally drawn to staying close to family, and that urge hit me like a tonne of bricks once I was pregnant. I feel happy here now, knowing I did see the world. I can always change my mind and move. If my mum was really disappointed in me for returning back I'd be so offended. We don't get forever with our families and it's not a bad thing that she wants her and her future children to have a close relationship with you.

Peclet · 14/02/2025 10:24

op I do understand your concerns. Irvine, Kilbirnie etc are really deprived. I’m sure there is the odd pocket of niceness but they aren’t good towns.

Drugs are rife and knife crime and general
hoplessness/lack of ambition. Lots of anti social behaviour.

But she is moving to an entirely different place. Like a poster said it’s like apples and oranges

LucyMonth · 14/02/2025 10:25

LucyMonth · 14/02/2025 10:17

I am 100% with you OP but I think your concern is misplaced.

To me the village life isn’t the red flag it’s the fiancé. I was 24 and in a relationship with a 34 year old. It definitely made me “settle down” quicker than I would have had a been with someone my own age. Luckily I never married that man and went on to have more adventures before meeting someone closer to my own age to settle down with.

I know 26 isn’t super young to start a family but would she really, honestly be looking to move to a village and be a wee wifey at home with the kids while her husband focuses on his career if he wasn’t 34?

It looks like she hasn’t even actually started any sort of career yet and has no intention to. She just wants to skip straight to SAHP. I’d be disappointed too if I were you.

Edited

& just to add…I now live in a village 30 mins outside Glasgow with my DH & DC. It’s a lovely life…but so I don’t think that’s the real issue.

gormetvall · 14/02/2025 10:27

It is her life, she knows what Scotland is like and wants to return.

Starsandall · 14/02/2025 10:27

Kindly it’s her life she gets to choose. If she wants a different stage now I think you need to respect that and enjoy having her nearer. It may not be forever. Is it more about what you have missed out on op?

Redmat · 14/02/2025 10:30

Sounds perfect to me. An educated daughter who has travelled and enjoyed life,returning to a village close but not too close to where she grew up. Returning with a husband who has secured a good job. Plus the possibility of grandchildren living nearby. Most people would think this was the dream.
Anyway it's her life ,not yours.

Offleyhoo · 14/02/2025 10:32

I would be delighted if either of my adult children actively chose to live near enough that we could see each other and support each other if necessary, as long as it was somewhere nice with the facilities and opportunities that they and their immediate family needed and wanted.

Wbeezer · 14/02/2025 10:35

I live a posh village in Central Scotland (with a private school) in a county with deprived areas. Nobody middle class is held back by living a few miles away from people from different demographics and having to use services in a less posh town occasionally.
We have all the things you expect in a nice city neighbourhood, a deli, a bookshop, yoga classes etc. along with fields and hills, unfortunately the house prices to match. Lots of people do exactly what your daughter is doing and then many of their kids go off into the world and come back when they have kids, it seems to be what happens here. It's lovely for children, bit boring for young adults.

massistar · 14/02/2025 10:35

Oh OP, I totally get it but sounds like the best of both worlds. My DS is only 19 but has already lived abroad and loves travelling. He's spoken about Oz and I'd be devastated if he moved there as it's so far away. We live in an affluent village where people go away to work in London or wherever but then come back here once they've established themselves to have a family and be near family. That's the dream!

Katesboots · 14/02/2025 10:37

A lot of graduates settle back closer to home because of the reasons your DD has stated in wanting to do so. It sounds as if your DD and her future DC will have a different life to the one she had growing up. She already has an academic career and travelled and all those experiences shape people. If your DSIL works in private Ed possibly their family will be educated privately. And the huge bonus for you is that you will be able to have a close relationship with your DD and her family.

user2848502016 · 14/02/2025 10:38

YABU It sounds like it's her choice, freedom doesn't always mean travel and living in another country or city, it means being able to choose where you want to be