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Why would a mum block a friendship? Playdate exclusion

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Skymadeofdiamonds · 13/02/2025 10:13

My 9 year old has been very close , even best friends, with another child at school. Outside of school child's mother avoids us and is icy cold with us. She is warm and friendly with three others arranging playdates, sleepovers, holidays with them. I've invited her child over a few times but messages completely ignored. Her kid has made it clear they'd love to play outside of school with mine.

She'll bend over backwards facilitating other friendships even though those children have problematic behaviour at times e.g. domineering, occasional threats in the games and disrupting lessons. So it's not that. My child is kind, no arguments and no complaints from school.

Mother slightly odd in some other ways too but who isn't.

AIBU to think this is exclusion or social bullying? How do I support my child as child doesnt understand why friend cant play outside of school? Do some people just like making little kids unhappy?

OP posts:
Whoknew24 · 14/02/2025 15:09

It’s not bullying at all. She as an adult doesn’t owe you or anyone else an explanation. She’s made it crystal clear she doesn’t want play dates. If someone makes it clear the 1st time just don’t ask again.

Im someone who doesn’t allow my children away on play dates unless I know the parent well. I do not trust others with my children and this may have been this mothers issue who knows.

Your child sees this child at school so getting regular contact. They’ll be old enough in next few years to meet up themselves.

But we really need to normalise people making their own decisions. I wouldn’t keep messaging etc and just accept her decision.

Whoknew24 · 14/02/2025 15:22

arethereanyleftatall · 13/02/2025 13:09

I like going down telling the truth route

But the truth IS that you don't know!!

In fact, it's any speculation that ISNT the truth.

Your responses to this thread have been, interesting. An anecdote that puts this mother or her child as in the wrong - fab, cling on to that, you're all over that one. But an anecdote suggesting it might be something to do with you or your child - nope, absolutely not.

Reading all the replies I now understand why the mothers blocked all contact.

NiftyKoala · 14/02/2025 15:30

Spottyshirt · 14/02/2025 06:23

Good luck. OP steadfastly ignores this question

I think the silence says all. I can only imagine if we could hear the other side's version.

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LalaPaloosa2024 · 14/02/2025 20:54

Skymadeofdiamonds · 13/02/2025 10:13

My 9 year old has been very close , even best friends, with another child at school. Outside of school child's mother avoids us and is icy cold with us. She is warm and friendly with three others arranging playdates, sleepovers, holidays with them. I've invited her child over a few times but messages completely ignored. Her kid has made it clear they'd love to play outside of school with mine.

She'll bend over backwards facilitating other friendships even though those children have problematic behaviour at times e.g. domineering, occasional threats in the games and disrupting lessons. So it's not that. My child is kind, no arguments and no complaints from school.

Mother slightly odd in some other ways too but who isn't.

AIBU to think this is exclusion or social bullying? How do I support my child as child doesnt understand why friend cant play outside of school? Do some people just like making little kids unhappy?

There is nothing you can do. I would guess she doesn’t like you for whatever reason. I’d say that this woman is probably like this with others too. I’d just stay away from her for your own happiness and let your child focus on the friendship at school.

Purpl · 15/02/2025 11:05

Skymadeofdiamonds · 13/02/2025 10:30

Thank you, LadysMantle, when do you reckon this starts happening?

Secondary school year 7 go Xmas shopping without parents for example on a Saturday

Stars2theside · 15/02/2025 14:54

Honestly OP, I would just tell your daughter, your friends Mum is a weirdo and doesn’t reply to me, so just enjoy the time you get to play with friend when you can. When you’re both older you’ll be able to make your own plans to see each other, and won’t need me or weirdo mum to facilitate it!

Waterboatlass · 15/02/2025 17:36

Stars2theside · 15/02/2025 14:54

Honestly OP, I would just tell your daughter, your friends Mum is a weirdo and doesn’t reply to me, so just enjoy the time you get to play with friend when you can. When you’re both older you’ll be able to make your own plans to see each other, and won’t need me or weirdo mum to facilitate it!

Why on earth would you say that? The mum might have personal reasons for keeping playdate numbers small and contained such as health issues. Keep it light and focus on what they can do.

Oioisavaloy27 · 15/02/2025 18:58

Stars2theside · 15/02/2025 14:54

Honestly OP, I would just tell your daughter, your friends Mum is a weirdo and doesn’t reply to me, so just enjoy the time you get to play with friend when you can. When you’re both older you’ll be able to make your own plans to see each other, and won’t need me or weirdo mum to facilitate it!

Why on earth would you encourage a child to think that way? Especially when the woman has done nothing wrong.

NiftyKoala · 15/02/2025 20:18

Stars2theside · 15/02/2025 14:54

Honestly OP, I would just tell your daughter, your friends Mum is a weirdo and doesn’t reply to me, so just enjoy the time you get to play with friend when you can. When you’re both older you’ll be able to make your own plans to see each other, and won’t need me or weirdo mum to facilitate it!

Why on earth would you say this? God forbid the child repeats it? Life is probably hard enough for op's child. Besides it does not sound at all true. Other mum has every right to not want this friendship out of school.

BreezyScroller · 15/02/2025 20:19

Stars2theside · 15/02/2025 14:54

Honestly OP, I would just tell your daughter, your friends Mum is a weirdo and doesn’t reply to me, so just enjoy the time you get to play with friend when you can. When you’re both older you’ll be able to make your own plans to see each other, and won’t need me or weirdo mum to facilitate it!

yes, do that. So that every other parent can her your child repeat "my mum says your mum is a weirdo because she doesn't to invite me and my rude mum in her house"

that will do wonder for your child's social life 😂

TwigletsAndRadishes · 18/02/2025 12:55

Skymadeofdiamonds · 13/02/2025 15:45

But the children have chosen their friends and would like to play outside the school but the mum won't allow it? She arranges for the child to play with kids of her friends who aren't natural friends. It's not bullying to exclude a child? What is bullying by exclusion then?

Edited

I am not fond of the term bullying by exclusion. I think it's too open to varying interpretations. It don't think we should be guit tripping children and labelling them as bullies for simply exercising the right to choose who their friends are. It's not how we socialise as adults so why do we expect it of children?

No-one tells us we MUST invite our annoying next door neighbour to our barbecue because she's lonely, even though we can't stand her. No-one tells us that if we are going to invite our two good friends from work to our wedding then we MUST invite the whole office including the creepy bloke that says weird things and always invades our body space, as much as he'd dearly love to be invited.

I appreciate that children need to learn to be tolerant and accepting of everyone in large group settings and not to be actively unkind to any other child, but doesn't mean they should be obliged to accept another child into their clique or obliged to play with them 1-on-1 if they don't really want to and perhaps have good reason to not want to.

It's sad for children who are not very socially confident, or are still learning how to behave in social settings so they may end up alienating other children or just being forgotten about. Of course I wouldn't tolerate children seeking another child out just to taunt them about how they are not wanted in the group. That would be bullying. But simply ignoring a child most of the time and not actively inviting them into games or a clique is not bullying in itself.

Children can sometimes find it hard to distiguish between the social cues that say 'I'm being pleasant but non-committal towards you. I don't want to hurt your feelings but I really don't want to encouarge you either.' and the ones that say 'Join our game, be in our gang.' So sometimes if they don't take the hint it might get to the stage where they are told bluntly 'this is our game and you can't play.'

If a child has previously been included in a group, whether organically or because adults have engineered it, and the group then decides they've had enough and want to oust that child from the clique, that can hurt a child's feelings a lot, I know. But sometimes there are valid reasons for it and it's a learning curve for that child that they might need to work on their social skills a bit. Be less bossy. Play less roughly. Be less needy. Don't talk over people all the time or tell them they are wrong/stupid, or lecture them constantly. Don't be a telltale or a whiner. Don't tell grandiose lies. Don't be a crybaby. Learn to be a better loser. Don't try to monopolise one friend and sulk if they want to play with someone else sometimes. Regulate your emotions better. Learn to share. Or sometimes simply do not be a bit of a bully yourself.

There will always be a reason, even if the only reason is that you are bit boring and they think they don't have anything in common with you. You haven't done anything wrong exactly, you just don't float their boat. However hard that might be to accept for the person not being included, it's perfectly okay for all of us to choose our friendship group (and limit access to it) on that basis. It's a good enough reason for me as an adult, so why is it not good enough for a child to do the same?

If that ever happened to my child, I'd be saying 'it's a shame, but these are not your people and you should focus on finding other children who are. You can't force someone to be your friend if they don't want to.' I don't think parents do their children any favours or teach them anything about resilience by wading in and accusing other kids of 'bullying' for not wanting to have their child around all the time.

In schools and hobby groups of course the adults in charge should try to make sure that no child is completely left out, but that doesn't mean that every child has the right to insert him/herself into any friendship group they like the look of whether they are wanted there or not. Imagine if we had to live like this as adults?

Skymadeofdiamonds · 23/02/2025 13:03

TwigletsAndRadishes · 18/02/2025 12:55

I am not fond of the term bullying by exclusion. I think it's too open to varying interpretations. It don't think we should be guit tripping children and labelling them as bullies for simply exercising the right to choose who their friends are. It's not how we socialise as adults so why do we expect it of children?

No-one tells us we MUST invite our annoying next door neighbour to our barbecue because she's lonely, even though we can't stand her. No-one tells us that if we are going to invite our two good friends from work to our wedding then we MUST invite the whole office including the creepy bloke that says weird things and always invades our body space, as much as he'd dearly love to be invited.

I appreciate that children need to learn to be tolerant and accepting of everyone in large group settings and not to be actively unkind to any other child, but doesn't mean they should be obliged to accept another child into their clique or obliged to play with them 1-on-1 if they don't really want to and perhaps have good reason to not want to.

It's sad for children who are not very socially confident, or are still learning how to behave in social settings so they may end up alienating other children or just being forgotten about. Of course I wouldn't tolerate children seeking another child out just to taunt them about how they are not wanted in the group. That would be bullying. But simply ignoring a child most of the time and not actively inviting them into games or a clique is not bullying in itself.

Children can sometimes find it hard to distiguish between the social cues that say 'I'm being pleasant but non-committal towards you. I don't want to hurt your feelings but I really don't want to encouarge you either.' and the ones that say 'Join our game, be in our gang.' So sometimes if they don't take the hint it might get to the stage where they are told bluntly 'this is our game and you can't play.'

If a child has previously been included in a group, whether organically or because adults have engineered it, and the group then decides they've had enough and want to oust that child from the clique, that can hurt a child's feelings a lot, I know. But sometimes there are valid reasons for it and it's a learning curve for that child that they might need to work on their social skills a bit. Be less bossy. Play less roughly. Be less needy. Don't talk over people all the time or tell them they are wrong/stupid, or lecture them constantly. Don't be a telltale or a whiner. Don't tell grandiose lies. Don't be a crybaby. Learn to be a better loser. Don't try to monopolise one friend and sulk if they want to play with someone else sometimes. Regulate your emotions better. Learn to share. Or sometimes simply do not be a bit of a bully yourself.

There will always be a reason, even if the only reason is that you are bit boring and they think they don't have anything in common with you. You haven't done anything wrong exactly, you just don't float their boat. However hard that might be to accept for the person not being included, it's perfectly okay for all of us to choose our friendship group (and limit access to it) on that basis. It's a good enough reason for me as an adult, so why is it not good enough for a child to do the same?

If that ever happened to my child, I'd be saying 'it's a shame, but these are not your people and you should focus on finding other children who are. You can't force someone to be your friend if they don't want to.' I don't think parents do their children any favours or teach them anything about resilience by wading in and accusing other kids of 'bullying' for not wanting to have their child around all the time.

In schools and hobby groups of course the adults in charge should try to make sure that no child is completely left out, but that doesn't mean that every child has the right to insert him/herself into any friendship group they like the look of whether they are wanted there or not. Imagine if we had to live like this as adults?

Edited

Granted. The child isn't the bully in this case, the child is lovely towards mine. This thread isn't about it at all.

OP posts:
daleylama · 11/03/2025 20:27

Skymadeofdiamonds · 13/02/2025 15:45

But the children have chosen their friends and would like to play outside the school but the mum won't allow it? She arranges for the child to play with kids of her friends who aren't natural friends. It's not bullying to exclude a child? What is bullying by exclusion then?

Edited

Why are you even on here? You are determined to refute any advice or opinion that deviates from your already settled state of mind ( which may need further investigation by yourself judging by that one revealing comment rgds your own mother),

Wooky073 · 11/08/2025 00:11

I personally found primary schools to be very cliquey. First primary school was super cliquey with parents going on holidays together and networking careers together. My child moved primary school in year 2. The cliques were already formed. So I had 4 years of pickups waiting by myself with other cliques chatting away to each other or I would pick up from after school club (avoids the cliques). It bothered me sometimes but not much. Im not much of a cliquey person - I find it all a lot of effort and waste of energy. My child made their own friends with kids who did want play dates and who were also not in the main clique. I was happy with that. It may be that the clique was already formed at nursery and continued into primary school. Or it may be some other reason. You will never know. But just accept it and look for the positives. See the school friend as an in school friend only and form other friendships for outside of school. Tbh it is more healthy for kids to have more than one friend anyway. 2-3 friends is good. Forget about the mum. Focus energy on other friendships. Once they are at high school they make their own arrangements with friends anyway and they let you know what they are doing :)

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