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To think this isn’t cliquey?

240 replies

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

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outofofficeagain · 11/02/2025 19:59

This is madness. Of course small group friendships form. Is she genuinely saying you can't organise anything unless you invite the whole class!

Ger1atricMillennial · 11/02/2025 20:04

As you have described it this is a group of friends who met when your children went to school. It would be a clique if you were recruiting people while excluding others because they didn't fit into an aestheic and using that power to influence the community to do the things that only you want to.

There is a lot of harm when you are purposefully being excluded, but there is ALSO harm when you repeatedly decline or also don't show up to when you have accepted invites.

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 11/02/2025 20:05

She sounds very immature. The transition from open invite social to small group of friends is a natural one. Look at uni: everyone goes to the freshers parties. Friendship groups form.

I would reply saying what you’ve said in your original message. She’s probably projecting her issues from feeling intimidated by the popular girls back at school and whilst that’s sad for her it’s not your problem.

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 20:08

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:12

Why is it up to us six to “act inclusively” of the 50 mums in the year group? If people want to be included can’t they just act like grown ups and join in? Rather than have people beg them to come for drinks?

I’m sorry - did you not say your friend wrote on the mum’s WhatsApp group inviting everyone out?

Why would she invite everyone out if she doesn’t even attempt to talk to them in the playground? Do you all really think people will want to join an established group of friends on a night out who otherwise make zero effort to get to know them?

GermanBite · 11/02/2025 20:09

Honestly, some people will accuse pretty much every friendship group of being a clique if they're not part of it.

I've made friends with a mum at the school (our kids aren't friends or even in the same class). I mentioned to someone else one day that I was meeting my friend for a drink and she was outraged and said 'I didn't know you two meet for drinks, where's my invite?' Bizarre.

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 11/02/2025 20:12

Also, by some people’s mindset where does the expectation of openness end? My parents have a close friendship group of eight (now seven: one died) that started at a sports club about 40 years ago. They all go on holiday together. Should they still be open to new people joining? From the sports club they no longer have anything to do with or from some other place?

Fluffyholeysocks · 11/02/2025 20:14

I'd post in the group that anyone is welcome to join the clique ! Just let us know you are coming - all are welcome but equally it's not compulsory.

TheaBrandt1 · 11/02/2025 20:21

Primary age is the window to make local friends once they are at secondary it rarely happens as minimal overlap with other parents. My own parents in their 70s still socialise with the school gate parents as do we.

Letstheriveranswer · 11/02/2025 20:25

Do the people who don't regularly go to the large events know how few people go? They might each be assuming there is a good turnout of everyone except them!

I'd be tempted to respond that "It was lovely to bump into you the other night! As you all probably know, there hasn't been much turnout to the larger events for quite a while. As we were the ones who did regularly go, we naturally became friendlier and yes we get together sometimes. Does that make us a clique? I hope not!

Anyway, even if we are a clique, we are not cliquey, and would love if more people wanted to join us and it would be great to see more people at our events! "

Burntt · 11/02/2025 20:36

Sounds reasonable.

Just make sure you make the effort to invite anyone who is making an effort to turn up to the larger events? I'm terrible at making friends and desperately want to, there have been times I've begged all kids of favours to get childcare so I can attend a large meet up only to have noone talk to me and then I see them meeting up separately regularly and that does hurt. As long as you are not doing that it's reasonable. And to be honest you don't own anyone friendship anyway so can have your clique without the big meet ups if you wanted it's just nice to notice others who are making an effort to make friends

Hollietree · 11/02/2025 20:46

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:26

No I didn't miss that. Did you miss the part where only six of them meet on a regular basis and don't invite anyone else?

Do you invite the whole street every time you meet up with a neighbour you get on well with?

When you pop round your sisters for a catch up, do you invite every relative you have?

If you meet up with an old uni pal, do you invite everyone who was on your course?

When you go for lunch with your colleague who you are most friendly with, do you invite the whole office?

If you go out for dinner with your husband, do you put out an announcement on your social media inviting everyone you’ve ever met if they would like to join your date night?

Of course not, that ridiculous. People are allowed to hang out with their friends without inviting the whole world. People have friend groups and are allowed to hang out with their friends……… since when did having friends become a clique? Are we all meant to invite everyone to everything we do?!

MalcolmTuckersBollockingface · 11/02/2025 20:47

From what you have posted, not cliquey in the slightest! And I say that as someone who experienced the year group from hell/full-on Mean Girls parents

EarthlyNightshade · 11/02/2025 20:47

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 20:08

I’m sorry - did you not say your friend wrote on the mum’s WhatsApp group inviting everyone out?

Why would she invite everyone out if she doesn’t even attempt to talk to them in the playground? Do you all really think people will want to join an established group of friends on a night out who otherwise make zero effort to get to know them?

What effort do you think the other people in the class are making?

If you had been invited out on mums nights out for three years and never gone, at what point would you consider it acceptable that they could go out without you?

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 20:59

BetterWithPockets · 11/02/2025 19:57

I struggle with the difference between a clique and a friendship group, TBH. If you have a group of friends, why do you HAVE to be open to/proactive about others joining? Being polite to others, I get — so if you’re all in the playground, and there’s someone standing on their own, I’d absolutely say hello — but that doesn’t mean I’d invite them to our next wine night or whatever it might be. I guess if I got to know them over time, I might suggest it to the rest of the group — but no one has an automatic right to join a friendship group…

My DC are at secondary now but at primary, I had a group of friends I’d chat to at drop off/pick up, and I’d see them outside of school. We’re still friends now although all our DC are at different schools. There were several other, similar friendship groups that existed. And I’d say hello to people who weren’t in my immediate friendship group, and vice versa. We’d also arrange — and attend —whole class get togethers. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

I struggle with the difference between a clique and a friendship group

I feel like one is an accurate description the other is a stick to beat women with for no apparent reason and make them feel bad for doing something perfectly acceptable.

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 21:12

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 20:08

I’m sorry - did you not say your friend wrote on the mum’s WhatsApp group inviting everyone out?

Why would she invite everyone out if she doesn’t even attempt to talk to them in the playground? Do you all really think people will want to join an established group of friends on a night out who otherwise make zero effort to get to know them?

She’s good enough to take her time organising using a get together, why does she have to do everything?

What makes you think she doesn’t talk to people in the playground? Making things up isn’t a cool look you know

Do you all really think people will want to join an established group of friends on a night out who otherwise make zero effort to get to know them?

Its not “joining us” it’s everyone joining everyone else

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 21:20

Burntt · 11/02/2025 20:36

Sounds reasonable.

Just make sure you make the effort to invite anyone who is making an effort to turn up to the larger events? I'm terrible at making friends and desperately want to, there have been times I've begged all kids of favours to get childcare so I can attend a large meet up only to have noone talk to me and then I see them meeting up separately regularly and that does hurt. As long as you are not doing that it's reasonable. And to be honest you don't own anyone friendship anyway so can have your clique without the big meet ups if you wanted it's just nice to notice others who are making an effort to make friends

I really don’t think when it’s close friends we should be obliged to invite anyone else.
Can I suggest you take the lead on organising something? I think it does make a difference because if nothing else it forces people to talk to you

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Jumpingthruhoops · 11/02/2025 21:53

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

See, I'd fight fire with fire in that instance and would reply: 'Just to clarify, the clique will be meeting on the Friday. This invite is for everyone to meet on the Thursday. Please let us know if you can make it.'

ethelredonagoodday · 11/02/2025 22:16

TheaBrandt1 · 11/02/2025 18:04

Ha could have written this. Our group is seen as cliquey evolved in the same way. The ones that turned up! Our kids now left school and we still great friends and see each other all the time. If you want friends go to the class drinks is the message here!

Agree!

She sounds cheeky OP and I think you've tried your best to engage people. Friendship is a give and take thing.

ViciousCurrentBun · 11/02/2025 22:40

I’m still friends with three of the Mums from primary school and our kids are all now 23/24.

You tried with the big group. Other Mum sounds whiny.

TheaBrandt1 · 11/02/2025 23:37

Totally disagree with the posts recommending op goes and justifies herself to this woman! Sod that! So demeaning! They had their chance to be friends now your group is formed. You have no obligation to anyone else.

Notodrugs · 12/02/2025 01:31

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:32

But why should we have to “be nice”. Why can’t we just meet up with our close friends?

Well, you got me there. Absolutely no need for anyone to be nice. There's plenty in the world who aren't, you do you

TheIvyRestaurant · 12/02/2025 01:34

Notodrugs · 12/02/2025 01:31

Well, you got me there. Absolutely no need for anyone to be nice. There's plenty in the world who aren't, you do you

So I always have to be nice to other people to my own detriment? Is that what you do? Is it what proper women do?

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BeaAndBen · 12/02/2025 01:45

You're perfectly reasonable, OP.

Your organised friend puts messages on the Year group WhatsApp letting everyone know about a proposed night out for parents - that's community minded of her and a pretty thankless task in my experience.

Separate to that, a group of you have nights out together because you get on well. As do other people, presumably, because that's what being friends means.

For some reason, an entitled pass/agg trouble maker has decided your organiser mate's social life should be dedicated to the entire year group at all points and never her close friends, so she's lobbed an unpleasant comment into the chat.

She's being spiteful. Ignore her.

Notodrugs · 12/02/2025 01:52

TheIvyRestaurant · 12/02/2025 01:34

So I always have to be nice to other people to my own detriment? Is that what you do? Is it what proper women do?

No you don't. You're putting words in my mouth now. You asked if it was cliquey, I said yes I thought it was.... And? Clearly our opinions are totally different and that's fine. Not sure why you asked though if you only wanted people to agree with you. Hope you have a lovely day OP, I mean that sincerely. I'm not here to argue with anyone so I'll leave this thread alone now.

TheIvyRestaurant · 12/02/2025 01:57

Notodrugs · 12/02/2025 01:52

No you don't. You're putting words in my mouth now. You asked if it was cliquey, I said yes I thought it was.... And? Clearly our opinions are totally different and that's fine. Not sure why you asked though if you only wanted people to agree with you. Hope you have a lovely day OP, I mean that sincerely. I'm not here to argue with anyone so I'll leave this thread alone now.

your reply doesn’t explain why I have to “be nice” to my own detriment? Why should I?

What is your definition of a clique?

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