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To think this isn’t cliquey?

240 replies

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

OP posts:
TheaBrandt1 · 13/02/2025 23:48

My grandfather used to say “to make a friend you need to be a friend” which is pretty much true.

maddening · 13/02/2025 23:51

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:36

I understand it differently. There were large meet ups but few came. Those few separated themselves and formed their own group and made their own plans ie a clique.

How the clique formed isn't particularly relevant, it's still a clique.

It sounds like a group of friends to me- and people throw the word clique around to undermine that as it is.being used as a slur effectively

TicklishMintDuck · 14/02/2025 00:03

They’re a group of friends who’ve been consistent and made connections.

latetothefisting · 14/02/2025 00:19

BuckleBrothers · 12/02/2025 05:07

Are people not allowed to form individual friendships?! Are they meant to meet as a group of 30 forever?!

people here often struggle to differentiate between a clique and a group of friends. It’s really strange.

I can only assume the people who struggle with the difference don't have any of the second.

Otherwise surely ANYONE who has or had ever had a group of friends understands the concept that when they meet up with them they don't also invite their other friends, siblings, mothers, cousins, partners, colleagues, neighbours, the woman sitting on the table next to them...along?

NavyTurtle · 14/02/2025 05:10

This is exactly why I hated school pick up. The Queen bees. Every school has them. Avoid like the plague.

SnowyPetals · 14/02/2025 05:19

Meh, ignore them. In my experience, people who chuck out the word "clique" tend to be hangers on who want to be invited to things whilst making zero effort to organise any themselves or engage with the people in the group.

MonotoneHerbivore · 14/02/2025 05:28

NavyTurtle · 14/02/2025 05:10

This is exactly why I hated school pick up. The Queen bees. Every school has them. Avoid like the plague.

You hated school pick up because there was a ‎WhatsApp group where everyone was invited to group meetups, but only some people came, and others cancelled at short notice, so then the smaller group of regulars met up separately sometimes, while continuing to occasionally offer to arrange meet-ups for the bigger group?

FWIW I did find the school gates cliquey and a nightmare, but I wouldn’t begrudge this situation?

Lickityspit · 14/02/2025 07:35

We have this kind of thing at work. We have big work nights out a few times a year but then 4 of us who get on really well meet up for lunch etc. One woman who never goes to anything found out we went out and made a big deal about it. Thing is the 4 of us are good friends now not just colleagues. Sometimes you just can’t please everyone. You are not being unreasonable to go out just the 6 of you

Sgreenpy · 14/02/2025 14:24

You're all adults and you can go out with whoever you like.
It's annoying when you're an organiser and book a table for 10/12 then only 6 turn up - it puts you in a really awful position.
Carry on doing stuff with the 6 of you - you could say on occasion 'we're doing X, would anyone else like to join us?'

TheIvyRestaurant · 14/02/2025 14:36

NavyTurtle · 14/02/2025 05:10

This is exactly why I hated school pick up. The Queen bees. Every school has them. Avoid like the plague.

What would you define as a Queen Bee?

OP posts:
TheaBrandt1 · 14/02/2025 15:12

Also many restaurants bill the organiser if people don’t turn up who wants to be actually out of pocket because some random can’t be arsed on the night?! Sod that!

theboffinsarecoming · 14/02/2025 15:17

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:26

No I didn't miss that. Did you miss the part where only six of them meet on a regular basis and don't invite anyone else?

Why should they? The six of them are friends with each other.

greenwichvillage · 14/02/2025 15:38

We have done exactly as you and your group has done and I wouldn't call it cliquey at all. We are a bunch of mums who's kids were in the same class at primary, the socials started off as a whole group invite, but some mums just never attended. So we started a WhatsApp group for the 10 of us who continually attended. This was 15 years ago, our kids are all grown up and still friends and us mums are still good friends and we meet up every couple of months. Don't let the other mum guilt trip you into feeling bad.

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 14/02/2025 17:55

It's fine! She's being weird, she's probably socially anxious and finds it harder to make friends so she's lashed out. Of course it's fine that the 6 of you are friends, everyone eventually becomes part of a smaller group who they see more regularly, that's how friends are made.
It's a common mumsnet one where normally the "left out" people post saying how rude it is and I'd say the same to them. Not everyone gets an invite to everything. Some people get on better, have more similar personalities or more in common and they want to hang out just them, that's fine. If she want s to see more people she should organise a get together or she should put effort into finding which mums she likes and gels with best and then see them!

Casperroonie · 15/02/2025 17:38

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

Sod them. They should have made an effort, their problem.

Maybe organise a big meet up at end of year but apart from that, fill your boots and enjoy you FRIENDSHIP group!!!

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