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To think this isn’t cliquey?

240 replies

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

OP posts:
Ridelikethewindypops · 11/02/2025 18:00

Nah yanbu. Of course you're allowed to meet your friends. Don't give her a second thought.
These group meet ups were arranged when my 2nd was starting school and I ( as an anti social introvert) made an effort to go to one group meet up. I really had to push myself out of my comfort zone. I didn't enjoy it. So I didn't go again. I'm sure others made long term friends out of such meet ups and I wouldn't begrudge them that!

username299 · 11/02/2025 18:00

hopeishere · 11/02/2025 17:58

So @username299 are you saying that they should never meet as a six? They must always be open to having more people join?

She's asking if what's she's doing is cliquey. IMO being in a tight knit friendship group, no one else can join is cliquey.

No, you're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying and have deliberately ignored the first paragraph. I said that she's free to do what she wants.

Being free to do what you want doesn't mean you have to do anything.

TwentyTwentyFive · 11/02/2025 18:01

If you truly want them to join, make an effort
and branch out. Try starting new conversations with mums who aren’t your friends. Show genuine interest in them.

There's literally nothing to suggest the op and her friends have not done that on many occasions over the past few years. At what point do they concede that people aren't interested and they should stop trying it. Or do they just continue indefinitely in which case that's borderline harassment.

lnks · 11/02/2025 18:02

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 17:59

YANBU to still meet up a socialise as a 6 - you’re friends!

BUT perhaps have a reflect and think about why she said that and why people don’t join. Is it possible that while you’ve been developing friendships you’ve inadvertently made others (less extroverted) feel excluded?

Do you include others in your conversations if they’re nearby? Do you ask them questions? Or do you turn and just talk to your mates?

We have a clique at school of around that many mums. They’re clearly close friends, some knew each other before school, some not. We joined the school later on and they made zero effort to get to know us, no returning curiosity or interest in me. So I soon gave up. They would stand right next to me and turn their back to talk to each other, making me feel like shit. I’m not sure if they realised or not.

If you truly want them to join, make an effort
and branch out. Try starting new conversations with mums who aren’t your friends. Show genuine interest in them.

If you aren’t bothered, that’s fine, but why still try to arrange class get togethers? It’s disingenuous.

Is it possible that while you’ve been developing friendships you’ve inadvertently made others (less extroverted) feel excluded?
Do you include others in your conversations if they’re nearby? Do you ask them questions? Or do you turn and just talk to your mates?

It's not up to the OP to manage the feelings and social interactions of others. I really wish we would stopping telling (or implying) that women need to 'be kind' all of the time.

username299 · 11/02/2025 18:02

MyPearlCrow · 11/02/2025 18:00

I’m not sure it’s the OED def but my understanding of clique is a deliberately and meanly exclusive group. This is not that.

op, I too found that some mums behaved like children themselves. I did not join in at school as had little time, but I certainly never resented the other parents their friendships, and would happily tag onto chats when I saw them.

i think it’s called being an adult.

We have a different interpretation. I don't think a clique is particularly mean, more like exclusive.

pimplebum · 11/02/2025 18:02

Just post a shorter and sweeter version of what you have written here ( no mention of complainer )

and carry on inviting everyone, we do polls to vote for which date suits most people and you can clearly see who is coming who is declining and the most popular date in the poll wins

that way transparency and straightforward

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 18:02

TwentyTwentyFive · 11/02/2025 18:01

If you truly want them to join, make an effort
and branch out. Try starting new conversations with mums who aren’t your friends. Show genuine interest in them.

There's literally nothing to suggest the op and her friends have not done that on many occasions over the past few years. At what point do they concede that people aren't interested and they should stop trying it. Or do they just continue indefinitely in which case that's borderline harassment.

Edited

Perhaps, that’s why I was asking her. You’ve assumed she has without knowing.

EarthlyNightshade · 11/02/2025 18:03

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:49

The large group was a friendship group; open to all. The small group is a clique. How can anyone else join them if they're in a separate group?

The large group is the parents (mums?) in the year/class. Nothing to do with friendship. Friends are people who like each other and get along, maybe go out for drinks.
I'm still friends with a group of mums from primary and DS is now in Y13. Certainly not still meeting up with the whole class!

I'd be inclined to pop it back to the clique caller - ask her what she fancies organising for the next night out.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 18:03

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 11/02/2025 17:38

Absolutely fine, OP. Did she ever organise a meet-up? I would imagine she didn’t.

Nope never! And I think she has friendships with other mums who also have kids in her other DC’s class

OP posts:
Ridelikethewindypops · 11/02/2025 18:03

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 17:35

But why can’t we be friends just the six of us without an accusation make? When do we stop having to invite people in?

I think the problem here is ( I'm presuming) a whole class WhatsApp group? Delete the group!
Problem solved 😁

TheaBrandt1 · 11/02/2025 18:04

Ha could have written this. Our group is seen as cliquey evolved in the same way. The ones that turned up! Our kids now left school and we still great friends and see each other all the time. If you want friends go to the class drinks is the message here!

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 18:04

lnks · 11/02/2025 18:02

Is it possible that while you’ve been developing friendships you’ve inadvertently made others (less extroverted) feel excluded?
Do you include others in your conversations if they’re nearby? Do you ask them questions? Or do you turn and just talk to your mates?

It's not up to the OP to manage the feelings and social interactions of others. I really wish we would stopping telling (or implying) that women need to 'be kind' all of the time.

It’s called manners. But also, if OP and the other mums genuinely want to extend the social invites and have more mums come, then they need to make an effort to act inclusively.

Why are they still inviting other mums to come if making no effort with them otherwise?

TwentyTwentyFive · 11/02/2025 18:05

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 18:02

Perhaps, that’s why I was asking her. You’ve assumed she has without knowing.

She's a grown adult who moved to a new area and was made to feel welcome I'm sure she's been just as accommodating to others and didn't need to be told to ask them about themselves or show interest it seems unlikely she's not already done that.

CharityShopChic · 11/02/2025 18:06

If you truly want them to join, make an effort

But effort goes BOTH WAYS. @TheIvyRestaurant clearly says that at the start, meet-ups were arranged for anyone who wanted to attend, and this shit-stirring woman was invited lots of times and didn't come along.

It is a bit rich of her or anyone to expect the OP and her friends to go out of their way to talk to or include people who have made it crystal clear that they are not interested. Similarly to striking up conversation at the school gate, if you stand there with a face like a slapped arse, not making any attempt to strike up conversation then you have no room to whinge that nobody makes the effort to speak to you.

It's always the same, nobody speaks to me at the school gate, everyone's friends already, I just stand in the corner and look at my phone - then wah wah nobody is my friend.

HotCrossBunplease · 11/02/2025 18:06

Joking apart, in a school context I think that there can be an issue if the parents’ friendship means that the kids only play with each other eg it’s easier to arrange a play date with your mate than the Mum of another child who is not in your close social circle. As long as that doesn’t happen, people have to accept that friendships form.

However I am still highly amused at this mother deciding that the time to complain about being excluded was when she was invited to an event!

lnks · 11/02/2025 18:09

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 18:04

It’s called manners. But also, if OP and the other mums genuinely want to extend the social invites and have more mums come, then they need to make an effort to act inclusively.

Why are they still inviting other mums to come if making no effort with them otherwise?

That's your opinion.

There's manners, and then there's expecting women to manage the emotional well-being of everyone around them.

TheCatterall · 11/02/2025 18:12

@TheIvyRestaurant honestly is just point out - Brenda you’ve been invited many times and cancelled last minute or just not turned up - it’s not a clique if you are the one excluding yourself.

then run away and mute WhatsApp and let the bombs fall as they may.

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 11/02/2025 18:19

Perhaps you should be wondering why others don't want to join you for your get togethers.

Are you all 'massive extroverts'?

TheHistorian · 11/02/2025 18:20

Groups can be tricky dynamics at the best of times. I've found that there are organisers and followers in any group. Organisers are invested, put in a lot of effort, followers not so much but they can get very used to being invited to things and start taking it for granted, hence being flakey, not responding etc. But they don't appreciate being left out if others are meeting up without them.

It's interesting that the one complaining has never organised anything. She probably doesn't appreciate the effort involved but doesn't want to lose the benefit of the service provided for her.

HauntedPencil · 11/02/2025 18:25

God Alive it's totally fine to have a night out with friends and not invite the entire year group, particularly by this stage in the game.

HauntedPencil · 11/02/2025 18:25

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 11/02/2025 18:19

Perhaps you should be wondering why others don't want to join you for your get togethers.

Are you all 'massive extroverts'?

Seriously what's the point of this comment?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 11/02/2025 18:26

@CharityShopChic "It's always the same, nobody speaks to me at the school gate, everyone's friends already, I just stand in the corner and look at my phone - then wah wah nobody is my friend."

Why won't they all #BeKind... indefinitely. They are all like so mean.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 11/02/2025 18:29

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 11/02/2025 18:19

Perhaps you should be wondering why others don't want to join you for your get togethers.

Are you all 'massive extroverts'?

If "massive extrovert" means talking out loud to another living person then it sounds like they are, yes.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 18:29

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:49

The large group was a friendship group; open to all. The small group is a clique. How can anyone else join them if they're in a separate group?

That’s not the definition of a clique. Thats a small friendship group

OP posts:
HauntedPencil · 11/02/2025 18:29

Surely in all schools it's normal for a few large nights out with all invited and over the years they dwindle off and people either don't bother or they make a few mates if they are up for that and the groups get smaller. Friendships grow via hobbies eg football teams etc.

It's a bit ridiculous to suggest that you have to invite 30 people on every one of your nights out in case someone gets the hump.