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Date nights falling flat on its face, partner says I’m being a spoilt brat/unreasonable when I explain my feelings on the matter

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Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 15:03

Been long term with my partner of 8 years. I’m 45, he is 56

I know its common for the honeymoon period to wear off and you can easily fall into a rut with each other, the longer you are together sometimes it just requires a bit of effort.

For the first 4/5 years, our date nights were great. Partner would ask if I wanted to go for a nice date in a restaurant, I would book it, We would put effort into our clothes, have nice conversation, laugh and there was always sexual tension/seduction/flirting followed by nice sex after it. We both enjoyed ourselves and looked forward to these.

The past year or so especially, our dates have been nothing like this and I have tried to address this with partner, because I miss that with him but as far as he is concerned, I am being a spoilt brat (his words), and unreasonable for asking that we both try put a little bit more effort into it.

The reason I feel like there’s room for improvement is because our dates now are very different.

  • Partner started getting into the habit of having his phone during the meal and responding to text messages. He had previously been of the view that that was rude when you’re on a romantic date….suddenly, its ok.
  • The date nights started becoming ‘business as usual’, ie, talking about problems we might be having with our kids, bills, work, practicalities. No sexy ambience to it. I can’t remember that last time we went on a date night and had sex after it.
  • Asks for a romantic day out and we end up looking at the men’s section of clothes, or watches etc

Honestly, while it’s pleasant and cordial enough, it feels too casual and almost platonic.

He keeps asking the day before these dates if im excited and looking forward to it. I genuinely do but end up feeling disappointed when there’s hardly any romantic edge to it now.

I have brought this up asking if we could improve on this. He is not open or receptive to hearing this kind of thing and its real, real hard work because he immediately feels that I am attacking him for suggesting we try put more effort in and THAT becomes the issue.

After manoeuvring around all that, he eventually says ok, will put more into it. This was weeks ago.

Our last date, last week, we planned to spend a nice day together followed by a meal. He said he’s looking forward to a romantic day with me (we dont live together).

The day was very nice, sweet, affectionate etc. He said this is a nice date etc…Then he asked me to go into a shirt shop with him. He wanted to get shirts. He didn’t know which ones so asked me to pick them. It took a while because there were different sections, different styles etc and he had no input at all, it was all for me to pick.

He wanted 3 shirts and me to pick them. I did and then we left and went for a meal later.

i said to him that I felt like staff or a personal assistant. He has never ever done that before. Meaning if we are out on a date and he treats himself, he would always treat me too even if it was small, I appreciated the sentiment.

He also knew that I was skint and I felt like it was being insensitive to that by having me painstakingly pick 3 shirts for him on a DATE, spoiling himself and getting me to do the work of it.

I just felt like it was really self focused and he already agreed to put more effort in

He says I am a spoilt brat for and unbelievable for this and for feeling like our date nights are just too casual, and asking for us to put more effort in as a couple to keep the spark alive.

AIBU?

i would really appreciate some perspective here, thanks

OP posts:
gannett · 11/02/2025 17:53

Don't you have any agency in the date nights? If your conversations are dull then that's down to both of you, not just him. If you want sex you can initiate it at any time. If you don't want to end up shopping for watches say, I'm not doing that.

Dror · 11/02/2025 17:53

Can you expand on why you want flirty, sexy dates with a casual boyfriend who has called you dreadful names for years?

FarmGirl78 · 11/02/2025 17:54

I think you're doing incredibly well that you've got this far before doing perfectly normal (and acceptable!) things on a date time together.

But the phrase "You'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar" springs to mind. You're making it sound like a performance review at work, not encouraging his romantic side. Would you feel encouraged if you heard the following.......?
requires a bit of effort
room for improvement
we could improve on this
was really self focused

You sound like a boss doing an appraisal, not someone trying to reignite a spark!! You ARE attacking him. I'd feel put off if I was him. Stop criticising how you think he's doing wrong, but tell him what you would like to do. Go with positive vibes rather than negative ones.

Plus the sulking that he treated himself to shirts without treating you to anything is just childish.

I think you sound very very lucky to have the relationship you've got. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. A lot of women would give their right arm for a man who wants to spend time together like this.

ItGhoul · 11/02/2025 17:55

JudgeBread · 11/02/2025 16:55

Yeah OP, didn't you know that in a long term relationship you're not supposed to want romance or sexuality or seduction! You should be grateful he wants to take you shirt shopping and treat you to a delightful evening looking at the back of his phone and talking about bills! How dare you want romance and good sex after eight whole years, it's silent missionary in the dark once a month and nothing but chaste little pecks on the lips forever more! No more flirting, no more making out like teenagers, no more dates that give you butterflies, you're adults for god's sake! Complacency, boredom and routine is what's supposed to happen. That's marriage.

The issue isn't that the OP wants romance and passion, it's that she only has one very rigid notion of what romance is.

I've been with my DP for 22 years there's plenty of fun, romance and sex in our relationship, but those things aren't solely achievable through candlelit dinner dates. In fact, I would say that one of the reasons we still have 'romance and sexuality and seduction' is because those things aren't reserved for special occasions. Plus, it helps that neither of us gets bitter and resentful and sulky when the other one wants to pop into a shop and buy themselves something when we're having a wander around town together.

ItGhoul · 11/02/2025 17:56

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 17:39

This is exactly how ive been feeling. He is checking out but too comfy to end it. Not based on these dates, but a whole stack of other low effort issues on his part. The name calling has been dreadful and relentless for years.

So he calls you awful names but you think the problem is date nights? Right.

JLou08 · 11/02/2025 17:57

It sounds like he really made an effort on the last date, you say how good it was up until the shopping. I would actually really enjoy choosing clothes for someone, he's made a mistake because it's not something you enjoyed but I think you should appreciate the effort whilst feeding back the shopping bit wasn't a good idea.

Completelyjo · 11/02/2025 17:57

I think you’re being a bit dramatic saying he treated you like the staff by asking your opinion on some shirts!

He says I am a spoilt brat for and unbelievable for this and for feeling like our date nights are just too casual, and asking for us to put more effort in as a couple to keep the spark alive.

When you say too casual do you mean you view dates as fancy restaurants where he pays?

imtheholidayarmadillo · 11/02/2025 17:57

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I bet your relationship/marriage is a treat. If you have one, that is.

Applesonthelawn · 11/02/2025 17:58

You sound quite focussed on romance, more than I think most people could be bothered with by year 8. DH and I have sweet/funny moments often but they are just moments and we don't make special appointments for them - but that works for us. But if this is who you are, and he wants to be with you, then he has to work with that. It sounds like he was prepared to work with it at first but over time he's settled more into being himself and that's not so much the romantic date type.

Gettingslimmer · 11/02/2025 17:59

Is one of you married op? Sexy date days/nights, relationship not progressing, 8 years, wanting gifts, he pays for everything. Is this an affair?

imtheholidayarmadillo · 11/02/2025 17:59

Hwi · 11/02/2025 16:54

Biology! Please don't ignore it! You are still shit-hot, as they say, but he is OLD! Why do people forget about biology?

  1. Old. 😂😂😂

You're funny.

RawBloomers · 11/02/2025 18:00

Gettingslimmer · 11/02/2025 17:14

lol, she could have said no, I want to do x instead. Stunned anyone thinks yeah ok I will go shopping if you pay me is acceptable .

I agree that saying no, I want to do X would be a decent way to handle it. But OP indicates it had become a norm for them that he would take her shopping for him and buy her something small at the same time. Personally I would not enjoy the dynamic but it works for some. It’s not at all uncommon in relationships for one party to subsidize the other if incomes aren’t equal. Often because the richer party doesn’t want to stick to what the less well off party can afford. Unless their shopping trips started because she pushed for it, it’s not unreasonable of her to go along with it if they both enjoy it.

Now the dynamic has changed she ought to say no I want to do X, but he’s still selfish to suggest something she gets nothing out of (except a reminder she’s broke) on a date.

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 18:02

Notonthestairs · 11/02/2025 17:42

I am surprised you chose to continue with date nights with someone that has called you names for years. Romance is the last of your problems.

Bin and block.

We lived together for 7 years. We decided to end it but a few days after that he said why dont we live separately and work on things.

One of the things he agreed to work on was his disrespect and name calling. I was also constantly told that whatever I thought or felt was wrong.

it was actually his suggestion that we have these dates to rekindle things while living apart, but like anything, if i state any of my needs, I get told how demanding I am.

My BIL was diagnosed with cancer 6 months ago. Partner was coming the next day to stay over. I asked him in a text to give me a cuddle the next day (he’d been having problems showing affection) and it caused all out war and name calling and I thought then, is this really normal, asking for a hug and and it turning into a massacre?

You are right, romance is the least of my problems, its just another example of how we just dont work together at all.

OP posts:
Gettingslimmer · 11/02/2025 18:02

RawBloomers · 11/02/2025 18:00

I agree that saying no, I want to do X would be a decent way to handle it. But OP indicates it had become a norm for them that he would take her shopping for him and buy her something small at the same time. Personally I would not enjoy the dynamic but it works for some. It’s not at all uncommon in relationships for one party to subsidize the other if incomes aren’t equal. Often because the richer party doesn’t want to stick to what the less well off party can afford. Unless their shopping trips started because she pushed for it, it’s not unreasonable of her to go along with it if they both enjoy it.

Now the dynamic has changed she ought to say no I want to do X, but he’s still selfish to suggest something she gets nothing out of (except a reminder she’s broke) on a date.

He’s also paying for the date itself. She’s hardly going without. He pays for everything, she doesn’t put her hand in her pocket and never treats him.

as said, I think this is an affair.

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 18:06

Gettingslimmer · 11/02/2025 18:02

He’s also paying for the date itself. She’s hardly going without. He pays for everything, she doesn’t put her hand in her pocket and never treats him.

as said, I think this is an affair.

You know that I never treat him? How is this possible?

OP posts:
category12 · 11/02/2025 18:06

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 18:02

We lived together for 7 years. We decided to end it but a few days after that he said why dont we live separately and work on things.

One of the things he agreed to work on was his disrespect and name calling. I was also constantly told that whatever I thought or felt was wrong.

it was actually his suggestion that we have these dates to rekindle things while living apart, but like anything, if i state any of my needs, I get told how demanding I am.

My BIL was diagnosed with cancer 6 months ago. Partner was coming the next day to stay over. I asked him in a text to give me a cuddle the next day (he’d been having problems showing affection) and it caused all out war and name calling and I thought then, is this really normal, asking for a hug and and it turning into a massacre?

You are right, romance is the least of my problems, its just another example of how we just dont work together at all.

Yeah, I think you should end this halfway house of "dating" each other.

Breaking up was the right thing to do, shame you got sucked back in.

Fortunately breaking up is not a one-time only offer.

Nothatgingerpirate · 11/02/2025 18:07

You OBVIOUSLY deserve better, if date nights and nice sex afterwards are your thing.
However, 45 yo here as well, I would ditch him and never bother for eternity.
But, everyone is different.

alwaysdeleteyourcookies · 11/02/2025 18:09

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 17:39

This is exactly how ive been feeling. He is checking out but too comfy to end it. Not based on these dates, but a whole stack of other low effort issues on his part. The name calling has been dreadful and relentless for years.

Then why stay for this long? This doesn't match your OP.

alwaysdeleteyourcookies · 11/02/2025 18:11

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 18:02

We lived together for 7 years. We decided to end it but a few days after that he said why dont we live separately and work on things.

One of the things he agreed to work on was his disrespect and name calling. I was also constantly told that whatever I thought or felt was wrong.

it was actually his suggestion that we have these dates to rekindle things while living apart, but like anything, if i state any of my needs, I get told how demanding I am.

My BIL was diagnosed with cancer 6 months ago. Partner was coming the next day to stay over. I asked him in a text to give me a cuddle the next day (he’d been having problems showing affection) and it caused all out war and name calling and I thought then, is this really normal, asking for a hug and and it turning into a massacre?

You are right, romance is the least of my problems, its just another example of how we just dont work together at all.

In these posts he's an arsehole, and you should clearly get out. For good this time.

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 18:13

alwaysdeleteyourcookies · 11/02/2025 18:09

Then why stay for this long? This doesn't match your OP.

I know its sounds stupid but I love him and he always said he would work on that stuff. He would for a while but it would never last, guess I kept thinking it would change one day

OP posts:
Discombobble · 11/02/2025 18:14

“You mention kids, which means leaving the phones off is not an option. We check our phones just in case it is child related, but do tend to put them away otherwise”

what do people imagine people did before mobile phones? If you trust the babysitter, where’s the problem?

blueshoes · 11/02/2025 18:14

He called you a spoiled brat? That is very unpleasant and belittling.

It also belies the fact that he thinks your relative youth is a problem.

Is he slowing down in other ways? Does he have a touch of ED and is avoiding sex hence going down the companionship route rather than romantic and sexy?

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 18:16

blueshoes · 11/02/2025 18:14

He called you a spoiled brat? That is very unpleasant and belittling.

It also belies the fact that he thinks your relative youth is a problem.

Is he slowing down in other ways? Does he have a touch of ED and is avoiding sex hence going down the companionship route rather than romantic and sexy?

Yes, been ED issues

OP posts:
RawBloomers · 11/02/2025 18:17

Gettingslimmer · 11/02/2025 18:02

He’s also paying for the date itself. She’s hardly going without. He pays for everything, she doesn’t put her hand in her pocket and never treats him.

as said, I think this is an affair.

I haven’t seen OP say she never treats him.

Him paying isn’t relevant unless he’s unhappy doing so. The point is he’s making a date be about him not both of them.

Maybe he is having an affair or he does see it as buying her time and he’s decided to cut the rate. Still shitty of him.

SquashedSquid · 11/02/2025 18:18

My god, you sound like hard work.

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