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Date nights falling flat on its face, partner says I’m being a spoilt brat/unreasonable when I explain my feelings on the matter

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Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 15:03

Been long term with my partner of 8 years. I’m 45, he is 56

I know its common for the honeymoon period to wear off and you can easily fall into a rut with each other, the longer you are together sometimes it just requires a bit of effort.

For the first 4/5 years, our date nights were great. Partner would ask if I wanted to go for a nice date in a restaurant, I would book it, We would put effort into our clothes, have nice conversation, laugh and there was always sexual tension/seduction/flirting followed by nice sex after it. We both enjoyed ourselves and looked forward to these.

The past year or so especially, our dates have been nothing like this and I have tried to address this with partner, because I miss that with him but as far as he is concerned, I am being a spoilt brat (his words), and unreasonable for asking that we both try put a little bit more effort into it.

The reason I feel like there’s room for improvement is because our dates now are very different.

  • Partner started getting into the habit of having his phone during the meal and responding to text messages. He had previously been of the view that that was rude when you’re on a romantic date….suddenly, its ok.
  • The date nights started becoming ‘business as usual’, ie, talking about problems we might be having with our kids, bills, work, practicalities. No sexy ambience to it. I can’t remember that last time we went on a date night and had sex after it.
  • Asks for a romantic day out and we end up looking at the men’s section of clothes, or watches etc

Honestly, while it’s pleasant and cordial enough, it feels too casual and almost platonic.

He keeps asking the day before these dates if im excited and looking forward to it. I genuinely do but end up feeling disappointed when there’s hardly any romantic edge to it now.

I have brought this up asking if we could improve on this. He is not open or receptive to hearing this kind of thing and its real, real hard work because he immediately feels that I am attacking him for suggesting we try put more effort in and THAT becomes the issue.

After manoeuvring around all that, he eventually says ok, will put more into it. This was weeks ago.

Our last date, last week, we planned to spend a nice day together followed by a meal. He said he’s looking forward to a romantic day with me (we dont live together).

The day was very nice, sweet, affectionate etc. He said this is a nice date etc…Then he asked me to go into a shirt shop with him. He wanted to get shirts. He didn’t know which ones so asked me to pick them. It took a while because there were different sections, different styles etc and he had no input at all, it was all for me to pick.

He wanted 3 shirts and me to pick them. I did and then we left and went for a meal later.

i said to him that I felt like staff or a personal assistant. He has never ever done that before. Meaning if we are out on a date and he treats himself, he would always treat me too even if it was small, I appreciated the sentiment.

He also knew that I was skint and I felt like it was being insensitive to that by having me painstakingly pick 3 shirts for him on a DATE, spoiling himself and getting me to do the work of it.

I just felt like it was really self focused and he already agreed to put more effort in

He says I am a spoilt brat for and unbelievable for this and for feeling like our date nights are just too casual, and asking for us to put more effort in as a couple to keep the spark alive.

AIBU?

i would really appreciate some perspective here, thanks

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AmberElliston · 11/02/2025 15:12

I hate to say this but I’m going to be brutal, eight years is no time- especially not living together. I would imagine the way he is now is how he truly is and before he was putting it on to get you on the hook. Either that or he’s met someone else in the last year.
I think you are going to have to really call him out on it. Tell him if he doesn’t make a big effort to treat you better, you’re gone. You deserve better OP x

Pigeonqueen · 11/02/2025 15:39

Hmm I’m not sure really. 8 years in the honeymoon stage is well and truly over. I think a lot of people would be comfortable with what you’ve described. If you’re not; that’s fine. Maybe the ick has set in.

ItGhoul · 11/02/2025 15:48

I can see why you'd find the phone thing annoying.

The kinds of conversations you're having on your 'date nights' are really down to both of you, not just him.

I can't see the problem with helping your partner choose some shirts, really. If you're out having a stroll round the shops, it doesn't seem unreasonable or inappropriate to me to go into shop and help your partner choose some clothes you think they'd look nice in. I'd quite enjoy that. Presumably you weren't being asked to pay for them?

How is your relationship in general? Are 'date nights' the only way you have of showing each other love/affection/romance? I'm just wondering whether it's the relationship in general that's run its course, rather than the issue just being 'date nights'. It sounds like you have quite fixed ideas about what romance is and you're getting a bit hung up on the time you spend together having to conform to quite a narrow set of rules - dress up, meal, attention, sex. Whereas surely there's more to love and romance than those things. Sure, those things can be nice, but it feels to me as if you're building them up into the be-all-and-end-all. To me, a nice meal can certainly be romantic but so can ordinary day to day stuff. I guess to me your idea of a date sounds a bit performative, and I wonder whether you're focusing on that when the real issue is the rest of the relationship.

YouDeserveBetterSoAskForIt · 11/02/2025 15:54

The fact that you don't live together means that the honeymoon period should last FAR longer.

But I don't really believe in the honeymoon period anyway, it's an excuse for people to get lazy and blame it on it being "normal".

My DH and I have been together 11 years and have lived together for over 10.
There's no way either of us would go on our phones when out for a meal, that is beyond rude.

We enjoy shopping with each other but your partner doing it whilst knowing you are short of money AND expecting you to choose them isn't okay.

It's about thoughtlessness paired with expecting yoh to pick up the mental labour of shopping for him. It is stressful trying to choose someone else's clothes, ensuring they will look good and like them etc.

The fact that you brought it up with him and he reacted like that is a bad sign. It seems to me like he is taking you for granted and wants to ensure you stop asking for more by being horrible when you do.
He can't like or love you very much, to treat you like this.
It does sound as though you may now be just friends (and not good ones at that).

Ponderingwindow · 11/02/2025 16:00

You mention kids, which means leaving the phones off is not an option. We check our phones just in case it is child related, but do tend to put them away otherwise.

for the rest of it, honestly, you do sound unreasonably to me. DH is and I went grocery shopping by ourselves on Saturday night and it was fantastic. Not remotely romantic, but we got to talk without children around and just be with one another. We have plenty of passion when the moment is right, but a date night doesn’t have to be romantic to be a way to connect in your relationship.

JustAskingThisQ · 11/02/2025 16:02

Would you find it romantic to go dress shopping instead?

ServantsGonnaServe · 11/02/2025 16:08

Maybe just change from date night meal routine (because it sounds like a routine) to see if it's a general relationship problem. Go climbing, escape room, walk in the wild...there are loads of things to do together.

Ihopeyouhavent · 11/02/2025 16:14

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EuclidianGeometryFan · 11/02/2025 16:18

As you don't live together, are these 'dates' separate to the other times you meet up just to hang out, go shopping, do everyday stuff or sit at home together?
Or is every meeting a 'date', in which case would you expect to never go shopping together or do non-special stuff?

I think after 8 years, fancy 'dates' would happen only once a month or so, or less. But on these occasions, yes, he should put in more effort and you are not spoilt or unreasonable to want this.

5128gap · 11/02/2025 16:23

The whole thing sounds incredibly forced and unnatural to me. You seem to have such a prescriptive idea that the dates should look like, almost like you're assessing him as you go along and ticking off boxes. Time spent with a significant other, especially long term should be a relaxed go with the flow situation. Sometimes it's flirty, sometimes serious, sometimes mundane, whatever you're feeling at the time, because you should be free to be yourself with each other. If I were him I'd be feeling a lot of pressure and as though I was just playing the romantic lead in your date scenario rather than a person you wanted to spend time with.

Chairbowtie · 11/02/2025 16:24

Was your relationship dynamic normally based around him being the attentive affluent older guy and enjoying spending money/pampering/spoiling you and paying you lots of attention?

There's nothing wrong with that, but I think that phase has passed for him. People and relationships change and grow.

If you're skint, is this a temporary thing or something you are working on dealing with?

Could he be worried that you'll be expecting him to subsidise you completely as you get older?

If he's the kind of guy who likes the vibe of flashing money and being seen taking a glam younger woman to nice restaurants, then he could have his eye on someone younger.

Maybe you might want to try more companionable dates - going for walks, bike rides, doing practical tasks together, cooking a meal and talking. Many older people genuinely prefer lower key activities.

If you don't feel the spark without him spoiling you, or he's lost interest, then perhaps it's run it's course.

namechangetheworld · 11/02/2025 16:25

You've been together eight years, so you're no longer 'dating', you're partners, in a long term relationship. Asking your partner their opinion in a clothes shop and checking you phone at lunch is perfectly normal behaviour in a long term relationship. You sound like hard work.

Starlight1984 · 11/02/2025 16:25

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Starlight1984 · 11/02/2025 16:25

Also, what exactly is a "romantic day out"?!?!

CienAnosDeSoledad · 11/02/2025 16:31

I mean.. You're both middle-aged, together for almost a decade, yet your idea of time together is so juvenile, plucked out of a Rosamunde Pilcher book. Candlelight dinner, gazing into each others eyes, flirty laugh, champagne and sex in the evening (lacy undies, suspenders and all).

I'd suggest finally growing up.

Time together is time together and can take many forms. Say, spending a day out in town, bit of shopping, popping into a gallery on a way, having coffee and ice cream, maybe a movie or something, then a dinner.

Or a hike together in a beauty spot, without children, nice picnic somewhere pretty. Dinner in a country pub.

Various stuff like that. Not the dreaded 'romantic dinner' and 'sexy banter' all the time. Seriously, you're not 16.

alwaysdeleteyourcookies · 11/02/2025 16:34

After eight years this sounds normal.

Does "romantic day out" means he buys you gifts and dinner? Because that's what it reads like you wanted. And in that case, I think he's right.

Maybe don't go on dates if you're skint and thinks he should buy you something because he asked you to help pick out some shirts.

DaringLion · 11/02/2025 16:34

So your skint and got the hump because he bought 3 new shirts,

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 11/02/2025 16:41

YouDeserveBetterSoAskForIt · 11/02/2025 15:54

The fact that you don't live together means that the honeymoon period should last FAR longer.

But I don't really believe in the honeymoon period anyway, it's an excuse for people to get lazy and blame it on it being "normal".

My DH and I have been together 11 years and have lived together for over 10.
There's no way either of us would go on our phones when out for a meal, that is beyond rude.

We enjoy shopping with each other but your partner doing it whilst knowing you are short of money AND expecting you to choose them isn't okay.

It's about thoughtlessness paired with expecting yoh to pick up the mental labour of shopping for him. It is stressful trying to choose someone else's clothes, ensuring they will look good and like them etc.

The fact that you brought it up with him and he reacted like that is a bad sign. It seems to me like he is taking you for granted and wants to ensure you stop asking for more by being horrible when you do.
He can't like or love you very much, to treat you like this.
It does sound as though you may now be just friends (and not good ones at that).

I don’t think helping your partner choose shirts is that stressful.

I ask my partner if things look good. I can’t imagine him complaining about the mental labour of shopping for a few shirts with me.

OP it sounds to me like you have a very strict formula on what a romantic date looks like.

I don’t think he will live up to your expectations.

Doggymummar · 11/02/2025 16:44

It sounds really forced. Having a set day for date night and sex gives me urgh vibes.

Is it the only time you see each other ? Why aren't you partners yet? My partner and I have been together 11 years this year. We don't plan date days or whatever. We nip into town, grab a bite, go to the cinema or whatever whenever we feel like it. Why is it so forced?

Anxioustealady · 11/02/2025 16:46

PP keep saying you don't live together, but I can't see that in your OP? Sorry if I'm just missing it. You have children together so I'd assume you do live together.

Tbh the only thing I'd have an issue with is him going on his phone. What's so bad about shopping for shirts with him?

My husband and I have been together a similar amount of time and we don't go out that regularly. Sometimes we just go for walks and talk, or play cards, I just enjoy spending time with him.

I would be annoyed tbh if I was a man of nearly 60, with young children, and my partner of 8 years was complaining about a lack of sexy ambience. Sorry.

Savemefromwetdog · 11/02/2025 16:47

It sounds very set and formal, OP. I don’t think most couples have ‘ DATE NIGHTS’ set in stone like this after eight years.

Really though, if you want one thing and he wants another, maybe it’s just not right.

MabelMora · 11/02/2025 16:48

Maybe, after eight years, he's bored to death with the romantic dinners if that's what your relationship is based on. Perhaps he's after something a bit more 'real'.

MabelMora · 11/02/2025 16:50

OP literally says in her first post that they don't live together.

Donttellempike · 11/02/2025 16:51

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MabelMora · 11/02/2025 16:51

That was to Anxioustealady.

Why does the bloody post you've quoted disappear?!