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An update to all who responded to my thread about dropping out of uni...

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yakamoza · 11/02/2025 12:12

Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone who has given me advice on my thread about my son wanting to drop out of uni. And, of course, I am here again to give an update on that and ask for more advice on how to cope with what's happened since my last post.

Since my son wasn't responding to our texts or calls, we decided to reach out to his gf and she told us he's not been going to lectures at all and generally had no motivation to do anything. She told us that even when she suggests doing various things at the weekend, he isn't that enthusiastic about it and doesn't want to do anything. She then told us that they decided to split and therefore wouldn't be seeing as much of each other as before.

After we spoke to his gf, I was extremely concerned by what she told us as this was a completely misaligned with what he had been telling us before Christmas. He himself wasn't responding to my requests for calls or my texts, so last week my husband and I decided to drive up to his uni accommodation to see him. You probably will not believe it but a) his gf was in his room with him and b) out of embarrassment or something else, he refused to open the door and speak to us!

I had to call my sister and ask her husband to speak to him since my son always had a good relationship with him. In the end, he informed even him that he decided to quit uni and focus on YouTube. My BIL told him it wasn't acceptable to keep ignoring your parents and refuse to open the door and see them after they drove to see you for 2 hours and suggested that he calls and apologises. He did call in the end but rather than apologise told us that it was always our idea for him to go to uni rather than his and he doesn't want to pursue that anymore. At that point, my husband informed him that we would respect his decision but also would have to stop funding both his accommodation and living expenses and he'd have to work something out himself. He said fine and that's how that conversation ended.

I don't really know what I am here to ask or what I expect to hear. I know that we have likely gone badly wrong somewhere and failed as parents but I am still so heartbroken and sad about the level of deceipt that we have uncovered as my son was telling us throughout October, November, December and even January that he really understood how important it was for him to study and how he was spending all his time in the library. He asked us to help him buy a new laptop in November as his old one wasn't working well. We did buy one as we really thought he needed it to study.

I am now just completely shocked that he has essentially been lying to us for months and pretty much doing nothing while we have been funding his accommodation and living expenses and he has been incurring debt on his tuition fees while doing absolutely nothing as described by his girlfriend. I do realise that he may be suffering from depression and I did tell him that we can get help if he is depressed and that we would always be there for him too. He just ignored all that, and I am still really worried, concerned and at the same time disgusted by all the lies he's been telling us about studying while accepting our money for living expenses and accommodation and essentially wasting it all on nothing. I also discovered he took out the maintenance loan from the Student Loan Company despite the fact that we have been funding his groceries and rent. I have no idea where the money has been going and what he's been spending it on as he doesn't buy clothes, gadgets, go out or does anything else that could explain his expenses.

I know that I shouldn't be making this about how I feel and that I should be working out how I can help him but I just can't stop thinking about his deception and wondering where I went wrong as a parent while also worrying about his future. I also can't stop feeling deceived and disgusted with the whole situation and can't stop blaming myself for doing an abysmal job as a parent as we evidently went very wrong somewhere... I don't really know where and how to find a way forward from this and what to do, so I am hoping to hear some advice from other parents.

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iamnotalemon · 11/02/2025 12:15

It depends on whether he is suffering from depression or not. If he is then you are being unreasonable making it about yourself.

Apileofballyhoo · 11/02/2025 12:19

Drugs or gambling?

Marylou2 · 11/02/2025 12:24

I don't use the word "triggered" easily, nor am I trying to shock or upset you. This is about your son and not about you. Get over there and be the best parents you can be with absolutely no judgement. Message him and tell him you love him unconditionally and he is always welcome home and uni/fees/untruths/wasting money won't be mentioned. This sounds so much like what happened with my brother 30 years ago when he was at uni. I won't dwell on the details but we didn't get a chance to address this before the worst happened. Don't be me.

Octavia64 · 11/02/2025 12:33

It's not unusual for some people to go to uni because that's what their parents want.

I was at uni with people who were told by their parents what degree course they were doing (and they obediently did it).

Many people do find uni difficult and drop out. It's not uncommon for people to develop mh problems at uni and then struggle as they don't know how to access support /are too ashamed to access support.

I didn't see your previous thread. So I don't have context.

But I do currently have one of my adult children living with me after she got Covid during third year and she is now struggling with fatigue and pain and is retaking her third year.

She also did not want to tell me how bad it had got and how ill she was and the first I knew was when she rang me at 2am saying she had to be admitted to hospital and she was putting me down as emergency contact as all the people in her flat wouldn't do it.

How sure are you that you know what is going on? Has he been physically ill ir had mental health issues? So many of my daughters year have had to intermit for one reason or another.

In your shoes I would have gone in a bit less hard with the telling off about being rude and tried to offer help. He may just be lazy and not want to do uni. But he may be coping with some difficulties in which case you may regret being so harsh.

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Wakeywake · 11/02/2025 12:34

He is going to find his way, OP, it may not be the uni route but he will mature and do something that works for him. Not everyone is suited to going to Uni. Yes, he was deceitful, but he was probably embarrassed more than anything. I'd say don't cut him off entirely, he's been a bit stupid but it's not the end of the world.

My cousin was pushed into going to uni by his parents and pretended to attend for 4 years whilst they paid for his accommodation and expenses. They didn't discover the deception until he was due to graduate. He's figured out his life eventually.

therattlebag23 · 11/02/2025 12:40

This is so common, OP. The push to go to uni is very strong and lots of young people get there and don't gel with it. It is easy to stick your head in the sand when you are that age and get yourself in a mess. I don't think you've gone wrong as a parent, this is just the kind of thing that happens. I agree with you that he needs to start to stand on his own two feet financially, but this can be said in a loving and supportive way. He is probably feeling very lost whether or not he has depression, and your support is vital. There's no point dwelling on the lost money - what's gone is gone.

toomuchfaff · 11/02/2025 12:43

I suppose one thing you have to decide, is whether you want to support him in not going to uni?

Are your doors open to him, come home, 'focus on Youtube', or are you going to let him experience the cold hard reality that if mum and dad's money , and student loan money isn't coming into his account (he isnt a student, so mo more loans) - then how will he pay his rent and food bills 🤔

Personally, I'd be reticent to offer that particular support blanket just yet, and see just what he has in store when he's evicted from student accommodation and has to stand on his own two feet.

I wouldn't wait to long to make the decision (if only in your head), if he is depressed then he will need support, immediately,

Stop with all the "where did we go wrong" BS. it's irrelevant and pointless. Won't solve or help anything.Your immediate concern is how you act now, you can't change the past.

LizzieSiddal · 11/02/2025 12:49

I feel a bit sorry for your son. He follows his uncles advice and phones your H and instead of welcoming the phonecall and opening conversation, your H tells him he’s going to cut off his money. That phone-call was not the time to say this.

Get your H to phone back and restart the conversation and maybe acknowledge he never wanted to go to uni, and it’s ok for him to stop going.

Your son sounds very low and is isolating himself even form his girlfriend. He needs support and help.

Anotherfrozenpizzafortea · 11/02/2025 12:51

I work at a uni and I'm not pushing my DC to go if it's not for them.

My son left education after gcses and didn't get on in college but thrived in an apprenticeship. My dd has been put off uni by her (absent yet frustratingly meddling) dad who has no qualifications at all. But shes quite keen on it and has 5 offers from September, I'm happy to support her and will continue to do so if that's what she wants to do

But if she chooses to defer, or suspend, or drop out altogether she can. And she can come to me and she can make a plan B together.

Your son is an adult who for potentially quite serious reasons is struggling like fuck at uni. He's miles from home, his gf has broken up with him and he's depressed, all the whole trying to keep up the pretense of attending because he knows what the reaction would be if he quit.

And ta-da - he was right wasn't he? He needs your support now op, not anger or blame.

Hdjdb42 · 11/02/2025 12:52

I'd withdraw financial support, even his phone plan. Stop paying for everything. He can drop.off and get a job to fund his YouTube hobby.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 11/02/2025 12:55

Completely changing his ethics and values, shutting himself up, cutting off friends and relatives, not wanting to do anything particularly and giving off a pretty flat response to being cut off financially, together with getting a fair bit of money with nothing to show for it, would worry me a lot more than finding out university is not for him. A lot.

You aren't to blame for your DS developing depression or some other mental illness, or taking up drugs, gambling, or camgirls. But I would investigate further to find out the root cause of what is going on with him. Can he move back home so you can keep more of an eye on what he is up to?

AlohaRose · 11/02/2025 12:57

I didn't see your previous thread, but what is he actually doing on YouTube? Does he have a channel where he is posting content and making some money? I think lots of people think that they can make a living from YouTube or being an influencer but reality is that only a tiny percentage of people can do so.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:00

The push to go to uni is very strong

I would like to provide a little clarity on this point first. After his A-levels, he did indeed say he didn't want to go to uni. When I asked him what he wanted to do instead, he offered no answers whatsoever regarding either work, studying elsewhere or even YouTube. It was at that point when I said since he didn't know what he wanted to do, maybe he should go to uni anyway then and try to find out what he wanted to do while he was there. So he went.

On reflection, maybe I should have let him figure it all out without going to uni but we are where we are. He took a year out in 2nd year to work but after that he told us he decided he wanted to go back to uni as he didn't want to do the type of work that he managed to get during his break and wanted to see if uni would offer him different opportunities. I asked him then if he was sure he wanted to go back. His reply was, "When I didn't want to go uni after school, you thought I should have gone anyway and when I say I want to know, you are questioning if I am sure?". I realised how ridiculous I must have looked and acknowledged it was a fair comment, so I decided that I should shut up since he decided to do that.

When he went back, he said he was putting all his time into studying and spent all his days in the library, none of which as I know now is true. It kind of feels to me that he went back to uni only as a way of avoiding the job he didn't like. I don't really know why he didn't just decide to look for another job if uni wasn't for him but I supported his return to uni. Yes, maybe because I thought this was a good idea but in any case it was based on what he said.

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GreatOliveTiger · 11/02/2025 13:02

My son was just like this at Uni though he managed to string it out for 5 years (4 year course and then an extra year to take the final exams he failed to turn up to twice).

We like you tried and failed make contact with him. Anyway he was clearly embarrassed and depressed about everything and we just focused on picking up the pieces and reassuring him that his life wasn't wrecked and there were lots of opportunities that didn't require a degree. To cut a long story short 10 years on he has a very good job and had advanced very quickly. Has a family and bought a house in London. Just be there for him for a bit longer and show that you still believe in him.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:02

@AlohaRose I didn't see your previous thread, but what is he actually doing on YouTube?

Nothing. And we've not been stopping him from pursuing anything on YouTube either. It's been few weeks since he mentioned it and he's not made a single video. He just says he is learning to edit videos.

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Ponderingwindow · 11/02/2025 13:02

Ultimately, you can’t stop him from squandering his future.

I would tell him if he wants to access mental health assistance you will do everything in your power to assist him.

I would also tell him that if he wants to move back into your house, he has to have a full time job and pay 30% of his post tax income to rent. You can’t put his rent into savings without telling him. He can’t be trusted though so you can’t let him use the time living at home to save independently. He can’t pursue his YouTube dreams around work.

Since he is in housing now, I would tell him the conditions now. He needs to find a job before he moves back home. Otherwise he is just going to end up in your house doing nothing. Once he installs himself, it’s going to be even more painful to take a hard line.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:05

@DemonicCaveMaggot Can he move back home so you can keep more of an eye on what he is up to?

We have made it clear to him that if he needs help or wants to talk, we are there for him and our home is always his home. He said he doesn't want to come home.

I am extremely concerned about him but I don't know how to find out more since he doesn't talk to us. Also, I wouldn't really necessarily say it's a complete change of attitude as to be fair he's never really been overly enthusiastic about studying even at school although of course did turn up as opposed to giving up on it early.

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yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:09

@Anotherfrozenpizzafortea his gf has broken up with him

She didn't. She told us she did when we spoke to her but when we drove up to see him, she was in his room and when we later mentioned it to him, he said they never broke up and he didn't know where everyone was getting it from! I don't know whether she told us that just so we stop calling her and getting her involved in our family affairs or had some other reasons for it.

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Starlight7080 · 11/02/2025 13:13

It really sounds like he has been enjoying having everything paid for and doing whatever he wants every day . Including getting his gf to lie to back up his story

He obviously didn't enjoy working but also doesn't want to study.
Stop funding him . He needs to take some responsibility for himself and his choices.
Being so rude to you and your husband is terrible behaviour. He obviously new he had been caught out and didn't want to face the music. So didn't answer the door.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:14

I feel a bit sorry for your son. He follows his uncles advice and phones your H and instead of welcoming the phonecall and opening conversation, your H tells him he’s going to cut off his money. That phone-call was not the time to say this.

@LizzieSiddal The conversation didn't exactly start with cutting off money. My husband started by explaining that we didn't want to embarrass him in front of his gf by driving up to see him only to find that she was there with him in his room and that we were just concerned about his wellbeing since he didn't answer any of our texts or calls. It was only when my son said he decided not to go back to studying anymore that my husband suggested that he gets a job and does YT in parallel. He explained to him that we paid rent until the end of Feb and when we rented his room we also paid a deposit of one month which may cover another month's rent. Beyond that he will have to figure out a way of supporting himself although we will always be there if he needs help and he can always come home.

I wrote to him yesterday separately and also reiterated the same and also made it clear that if he is depressed, help is available and we can arrange it. That's all.

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Brenzett · 11/02/2025 13:17

Marylou2 · 11/02/2025 12:24

I don't use the word "triggered" easily, nor am I trying to shock or upset you. This is about your son and not about you. Get over there and be the best parents you can be with absolutely no judgement. Message him and tell him you love him unconditionally and he is always welcome home and uni/fees/untruths/wasting money won't be mentioned. This sounds so much like what happened with my brother 30 years ago when he was at uni. I won't dwell on the details but we didn't get a chance to address this before the worst happened. Don't be me.

my heart goes out to you ❤️

I was quite close to being in the same position as your brother 30 years ago ❤️

Octavia64 · 11/02/2025 13:20

Ok.

Well, you are where you are.

He has passed two years of a degree.

He's said he's dropping out but he hasn't actually done so yet. At this point this is a family row, not what is actually happening.

What does he need to do to pass his third year? Personally I would continue funding him for the year and encourage him to show up for his exams.

This situation is not irretrievable. He hasn't dropped out yet and he is nearly done.

Depending on what the degree is, if he studies a bit for his exams he may scrape through. Going to lectures is neither here nor there - the important bit is passing the exams.

By cutting of his money at February you are absolutely guaranteeing he will drop out as he'll have to get a job (or apply for hardship funds at the uni).

So personally I would fund him until end of term and encourage him to show up to the exams no matter how much work he's fond because he might pass.

sparrowflewdown · 11/02/2025 13:20

LizzieSiddal · 11/02/2025 12:49

I feel a bit sorry for your son. He follows his uncles advice and phones your H and instead of welcoming the phonecall and opening conversation, your H tells him he’s going to cut off his money. That phone-call was not the time to say this.

Get your H to phone back and restart the conversation and maybe acknowledge he never wanted to go to uni, and it’s ok for him to stop going.

Your son sounds very low and is isolating himself even form his girlfriend. He needs support and help.

I agree. Please call your DS back.

He is quite vulnerable atm. MH problems can spiral rapidly. Now is not the time to be talking about money. Please support your DS have his back for a bit until he feels settled again doing something he wants to do.

If your DH can't do this maybe get his uncle to call/visit him again.

My DFriend's DC had a psychotic episode and was ill for a while after not wanting to continue on their course. They couldn't communicate their problems properly and the DP's didn't realise just how serious things had become.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:21

Get over there and be the best parents you can be with absolutely no judgement.

@Marylou2 Unfortunately I don't really know what this would involve in practice. We drove for 2 hours to see him at the weekend because we were concerned. He refused to open the door and come out to talk to us. He's not been responding to our texts and doesn't return our calls. I am not really sure how to be there for him in this situation.

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sparrowflewdown · 11/02/2025 13:23

I would ask the university to do a welfare check. They do have a duty of care.