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An update to all who responded to my thread about dropping out of uni...

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yakamoza · 11/02/2025 12:12

Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone who has given me advice on my thread about my son wanting to drop out of uni. And, of course, I am here again to give an update on that and ask for more advice on how to cope with what's happened since my last post.

Since my son wasn't responding to our texts or calls, we decided to reach out to his gf and she told us he's not been going to lectures at all and generally had no motivation to do anything. She told us that even when she suggests doing various things at the weekend, he isn't that enthusiastic about it and doesn't want to do anything. She then told us that they decided to split and therefore wouldn't be seeing as much of each other as before.

After we spoke to his gf, I was extremely concerned by what she told us as this was a completely misaligned with what he had been telling us before Christmas. He himself wasn't responding to my requests for calls or my texts, so last week my husband and I decided to drive up to his uni accommodation to see him. You probably will not believe it but a) his gf was in his room with him and b) out of embarrassment or something else, he refused to open the door and speak to us!

I had to call my sister and ask her husband to speak to him since my son always had a good relationship with him. In the end, he informed even him that he decided to quit uni and focus on YouTube. My BIL told him it wasn't acceptable to keep ignoring your parents and refuse to open the door and see them after they drove to see you for 2 hours and suggested that he calls and apologises. He did call in the end but rather than apologise told us that it was always our idea for him to go to uni rather than his and he doesn't want to pursue that anymore. At that point, my husband informed him that we would respect his decision but also would have to stop funding both his accommodation and living expenses and he'd have to work something out himself. He said fine and that's how that conversation ended.

I don't really know what I am here to ask or what I expect to hear. I know that we have likely gone badly wrong somewhere and failed as parents but I am still so heartbroken and sad about the level of deceipt that we have uncovered as my son was telling us throughout October, November, December and even January that he really understood how important it was for him to study and how he was spending all his time in the library. He asked us to help him buy a new laptop in November as his old one wasn't working well. We did buy one as we really thought he needed it to study.

I am now just completely shocked that he has essentially been lying to us for months and pretty much doing nothing while we have been funding his accommodation and living expenses and he has been incurring debt on his tuition fees while doing absolutely nothing as described by his girlfriend. I do realise that he may be suffering from depression and I did tell him that we can get help if he is depressed and that we would always be there for him too. He just ignored all that, and I am still really worried, concerned and at the same time disgusted by all the lies he's been telling us about studying while accepting our money for living expenses and accommodation and essentially wasting it all on nothing. I also discovered he took out the maintenance loan from the Student Loan Company despite the fact that we have been funding his groceries and rent. I have no idea where the money has been going and what he's been spending it on as he doesn't buy clothes, gadgets, go out or does anything else that could explain his expenses.

I know that I shouldn't be making this about how I feel and that I should be working out how I can help him but I just can't stop thinking about his deception and wondering where I went wrong as a parent while also worrying about his future. I also can't stop feeling deceived and disgusted with the whole situation and can't stop blaming myself for doing an abysmal job as a parent as we evidently went very wrong somewhere... I don't really know where and how to find a way forward from this and what to do, so I am hoping to hear some advice from other parents.

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yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:24

He has passed two years of a degree.
He's said he's dropping out but he hasn't actually done so yet. At this point this is a family row, not what is actually happening.

@Octavia64 he hasn't passed 2 years. He completed his first year and last year took a year out to work. In Oct 2024, he returned for his 2nd year. Last month he was due to sit an exam for which he didn't show up because he apparently didn't feel ready. He wrote to uni to ask for a deferral which they declined. He's not turning up for any lectures or preparing any papers.

I can't unfortunately get my BIL to talk to him in person as my sister and her husband live in the US.

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yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:25

@sparrowflewdown I have written to the university welfare staff. Nobody is responding.

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Bigcat25 · 11/02/2025 13:25

I did something similar. Was in a program that aligned with my interests that family encouraged me to take, but the program wasn't upfront about the coursework and there was one thing I totally couldn't do. I was lacking direction. I pretended to keep going for a while bc I was ashamed and also worried about the consequences if my parents found out; ie, possibly being disowned - but my parents are loving people and I know now they wouldn't have done that, although they would have been pissed and dissapointed. My point is it wasn't really a planed deception, although I shouldn't have done that.

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 11/02/2025 13:26

Where is your other thread OP? Is there more context there?

LIZS · 11/02/2025 13:26

He'll soon find he won't be able to stay n uni accommodation and need to rent and pay council tax. Nor will he be entitled to SF.

TattedBarley · 11/02/2025 13:29

His behaviour sounds very similar to mine years ago. My parents thought after I moved out I was studying, working part time, looking for better jobs, was in an happy relationship and looking after myself. I lied about everything, avoided their calls and requests for me to visit, and had a horrible attitude when we did speak. I’d actually dropped out from my studies, was barely holding down my part time job as I was calling in sick all the time, hanging around with the wrong crowd and when I wasn’t, spending all day and night in my room. The long and short of it is I had a bad drug and alcohol habit. They eventually found out after an overdose and a stint in hospital. It didn’t end there and I put them through hell. It helped moving back in with my parents so they could keep an eye on me, the only thing that actually sorted me out for good was falling pregnant.
I’m not saying this is what your son is going through, but your description of his actions rang alarm bells for me. I’m sorry I can’t offer any advice other than don’t let him push you away. Let him know whatever it is he’s going through you will be there for him. Perhaps ask the uni if they can do a welfare check?

Freysimo · 11/02/2025 13:29

As your son is obviously still with his girlfriend, I would sit things out for a while. You've made it very clear you're there for him. Is he an only child?

Bigcat25 · 11/02/2025 13:30

GreatOliveTiger · 11/02/2025 13:02

My son was just like this at Uni though he managed to string it out for 5 years (4 year course and then an extra year to take the final exams he failed to turn up to twice).

We like you tried and failed make contact with him. Anyway he was clearly embarrassed and depressed about everything and we just focused on picking up the pieces and reassuring him that his life wasn't wrecked and there were lots of opportunities that didn't require a degree. To cut a long story short 10 years on he has a very good job and had advanced very quickly. Has a family and bought a house in London. Just be there for him for a bit longer and show that you still believe in him.

Can I ask what field he went into that wasn't university? Have lots of teenagers in the family who might find this helpful and need a career change myself. Thank you!

Motnight · 11/02/2025 13:31

Marylou2 · 11/02/2025 12:24

I don't use the word "triggered" easily, nor am I trying to shock or upset you. This is about your son and not about you. Get over there and be the best parents you can be with absolutely no judgement. Message him and tell him you love him unconditionally and he is always welcome home and uni/fees/untruths/wasting money won't be mentioned. This sounds so much like what happened with my brother 30 years ago when he was at uni. I won't dwell on the details but we didn't get a chance to address this before the worst happened. Don't be me.

Op hasn't suggested that they aren't going to be there for their son. She's allowed to be bewildered and disappointed at being lied to.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:32

Is he an only child?

@Freysimo - yes

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DemonicCaveMaggot · 11/02/2025 13:32

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:05

@DemonicCaveMaggot Can he move back home so you can keep more of an eye on what he is up to?

We have made it clear to him that if he needs help or wants to talk, we are there for him and our home is always his home. He said he doesn't want to come home.

I am extremely concerned about him but I don't know how to find out more since he doesn't talk to us. Also, I wouldn't really necessarily say it's a complete change of attitude as to be fair he's never really been overly enthusiastic about studying even at school although of course did turn up as opposed to giving up on it early.

It wasn't the change in study habits that bothered me so much as lying to you and taking money under what was really false pretenses.

Is there any form of communication that you can use to get a response from him? Are there any friends you know that can talk to him?

I am sorry the university are being so unresponsive. Have you contacted his tutor?

Brenzett · 11/02/2025 13:32

Is the YouTube thing a serious business venture ?

AlohaRose · 11/02/2025 13:33

I may have missed it but is he in uni Halls or in private accommodation? If he's in Halls the uni may well want him to leave as he is no longer a student although it's unclear if he has officially dropped out. However, your mention of having paid the rent to end of February Makes me think that he's probably already in private accommodation.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:35

@ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself here it is although at the time I didn't realise the full extent of it all and just wanted to find out how to approach a discussion about alternatives if he didn't want to study

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5257937-a-difficult-conversation?reply=141572830

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yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:36

I may have missed it but is he in uni Halls or in private accommodation?

@AlohaRose it's private accommodation. At his uni, the halls are all reserved for first year students only.

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Anotherfrozenpizzafortea · 11/02/2025 13:37

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:09

@Anotherfrozenpizzafortea his gf has broken up with him

She didn't. She told us she did when we spoke to her but when we drove up to see him, she was in his room and when we later mentioned it to him, he said they never broke up and he didn't know where everyone was getting it from! I don't know whether she told us that just so we stop calling her and getting her involved in our family affairs or had some other reasons for it.

And that's all you took from my comment op?

Ye gods...

Octavia64 · 11/02/2025 13:38

If he hasn't officially dropped out he is still a student.

Uni welfare staff will not speak to parents.

Apologies for the misreading - I thought he was in his third year.

There are some things at uni that you have to do to get a degree and some that don't matter. Not going to lectures isn't great but doesn't mean he is dropping out. Not doing exams is much more problematic in terms of getting the degree,

Sounds like he really doesn't want to be there and also doesn't want to do the sort of jobs he did when he took a year out.

I think at this point given that your relationship is toast I'd fund him to the end of the year if I could afford it and see if he does his exams.

sparrowflewdown · 11/02/2025 13:38

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:25

@sparrowflewdown I have written to the university welfare staff. Nobody is responding.

I would call and try to speak to someone raising your concerns. It is important someone checks in on him.

He needs to know that you will support him whatever he decides to do and that you realise this is a difficult time for him.

I would also say that you need to be able to contact him atm every couple of days, as you are understandably worried. I would visit at the weekend if you can and apologise and bring something nice( healthy food etc).

If he still doesn't want to engage I would contact Crisis team to get a mental health support worker to visit.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:39

Is the YouTube thing a serious business venture ?

@Brenzett I am not sure although in all honesty I don't think so because absolutely nobody has been stopping him from pursuing this as a hobby or as something serious as he wishes. He mentioned it at Christmas when he came home and then a bit later again, and I said, "Sure, a good idea if you are really interested in it". I didn't think he was going to want to drop uni for it but in any case, it's been at least 3 weeks since he mentioned it last and he told us then he had a script for his video and was waiting for the camera he ordered to be delivered. However, nearly a month later nothing materialised although he said he is learning to edit videos. Only God knows how long that's going to take.

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ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 11/02/2025 13:40

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:35

@ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself here it is although at the time I didn't realise the full extent of it all and just wanted to find out how to approach a discussion about alternatives if he didn't want to study

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5257937-a-difficult-conversation?reply=141572830

Ahh you name changed! That’s why I couldn’t find it.

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:44

And that's all you took from my comment op?
Ye gods...

@Anotherfrozenpizzafortea Not at all. Just trying to address multiple points in various posts to give as full a picture as I can without repeating myself in various responses too much. Truthfully, I don't really know how to be there for him given that he is refusing to talk to us and not answering any calls or texts.

He has some money saved from the job he quit and also some money from the maintenance loan for now but we obviously worry about what to do next as clearly that's going to run out if he doesn't find a job soon.

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yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:45

@ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself Ahh you name changed! That’s why I couldn’t find it.

Yes, sorry 😊

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FoxtonFoxton · 11/02/2025 13:46

You've tried every option including driving to see him in person and he clearly wants space. I'd give him that. You've made it clear he can come home and you will support him.
The YouTube aspirations are worrying as he is very unlikely to make a career out of making videos. The market is flooded already. 10000 views (which are very unlikely from a new creator) will make you less than £300. He will figure that out though. It's a lot of hard work for very little unless you manage to create something unique. 90% fail and 97% get less than 10000 views. Most creators I know (and I know quite a few) work full time alongside their YouTube career. Others have alternative forms of income in addition.
Hopefully he will come round in time. I think you just need to let him come to you. I'd probably do a weekly text (even if I had no response) to say hello and that you love him. I definitely wouldn't fund him beyond the end of the month, but would make it clear he can come home if needs be.

ShaunaSadeki · 11/02/2025 13:47

Are you guarantors for his accommodation? If so you are likely to still be funding him anyway as you will liable for his rent and it sounds like he won’t be able to cover it.

justasking111 · 11/02/2025 13:49

yakamoza · 11/02/2025 13:25

@sparrowflewdown I have written to the university welfare staff. Nobody is responding.

Phone the welfare people.

Write on the university's FB message page.

Speak to his tutor or someone on his course.

Make a nuisance of yourself. I'd say he's given up again. He needs to get a job