To be absolutely fed up with the Scottish hatred in sport re England?

[AuntyMabelandPippin]

We're English, living in Scotland for a very long time. It's always been noticeable, but we're in a place where there's a lot of English people, so we don't see it as much. However, we were out with a Scottish friend a week or so ago , she had a few drinks and made a crack about English people, and I was really cross, as we try really hard to support Scots sports as much as we can. I've seen four posts today on Facebook all wishing France well in the Six Nations, and one particularly awful one which was sending this joke:

I understand your point but no one expects to win the big competitions. It can be frustrating though when players who are supposed to be some of the best in the world lose to teams full of unknown players. Maybe the negativity expressed after failure comes from that (and some resentment over pay?).

What I’ve never heard (in my circle at least) is hatred for Scotland, NI, Wales and Ireland. If anything, most English people would support them against other countries. Everyone hates England though and celebrates when they lose.

A lot of the anti English sentiment from the other home nations comes from the media coverage

Last years Euros was a perfect example. During every Scotland game and I do mean every game, the pre match, half time and post match commentary would always bring up England. Why don’t they just let Scotland (and I am sure it would be the same for Wales and N. Ireland games too) have their moment and shut up about England for 5 mins.

I can’t remember which Scottish pundit it was but they were asked during a Scotland game about England’s potential route to the final. He said in a polite, allowed to be broadcast but likely wanted to say a lot worse way, something that could have been easily translated to I couldn’t give a shit I am not here to talk about England

Funnily enough there was no mention of Scotland during the England matches

Oh and the “it’s coming home” nonsense gets massive eye rolls from everyone north and west of the English border. And not from jealousy before some smart arse says it, it’s from laughing

What seems to skip over the heads of Welsh and Scots is that most English people don't actually believe we will win yet you all continue to believe that we do.

I live, work, and socialise in England and have done for many years and have an English husband and in laws and that is so far from the truth it is laughable

The expectation that England will win every championship is very real and yes they are successful, well the women’s team are, men not so much

No most don't. Your family are obviously one of the exceptions.

Can't imagine how Scotland could be so negative about England! I'm Irish and am so happy that we bet the English last week!!!

We're Scottish and we do support England sometimes. I do think a lot of it is just 'the auld enemy' sort of Braveheart effect plus the media coverage can be so overbearing and biased. I understand it can be upsetting and I wouldn't do it myself but I do think it's often meant as a joke although people should be mindful of their audience and how it will come across especially to strangers.

In your opinion and your experience maybe but every office I have worked in, pubs I have watched games in are full of people who go on as if they are guaranteed a spot in the final before the first game is played

For me it’s the media. They make it worse. Before any tournament - let’s just use the 6 nations as an example, the media will twitter on about England. How they can win, how they’ve done this, that, the other. A segment on the news can be 4-5 minutes long. Always starting with England. The other nations will get seconds of coverage. It’s exactly the same when it comes to the football. Probably worse with the football as the media still harp on about 1966. England beat France today and I can guarantee this will be headlines in sport and most of next week. Then we have the Calcutta cup. The coverage favouring England will be relentless. The media make it worse.

I'm Scottish. One of life's simplest pleasures is watching England crash out of sporting tournaments. I cannot describe how emphatically happy it makes me 🤣

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You are embarrassing yourself

Last I checked, it was a Scottish king who came down and became King of GB.

It's small man syndrome. Scotland and Wales have both been conquered by the English many years ago so all they can do is yap.

It’s not as simple as that though is it? There was no act of union until 1707. James was King of two different countries. Not one combined.
The history of Scotland is fascinating but as we moved to England when I was young I didn’t learn any of it beyond Mary, Queen of Scots and James VI.

Well, yes- everyone celebrates a win. I didn’t say you shouldn’t. But there is a difference between being delighted/ecstatic (insert your preferred term) that your team won, and the smugness and gloating that tends to occur when England win. To be fair, the media are the worst culprits.

I think harping on about the 1966 World Cup win, and acting like your team will almost certainly win (and deserve nothing less) at every World Cup because you won it once nearly 60 years ago is more than a little ridiculous. England do usually have a good team, but they have to earn the win like everr other team.

I’m not talking about every English person, obviously.

The Scottish are at least realistic about our chances, for the most part.

It's banter I'm English with Scottish friends and it doesn't wind me up, particularly as Scotland being a smaller country tend to do worse in competitions than England.

It’s just a joke. I know plenty of Scottish people who actually support England in things like the World Cup and cricket. Perhaps change your social circle if you think the humour crosses a line.

We live abroad but in an English conclave...
The typical ex-pat.
'I live abroad but surround myself in English culture while 'trying really hard' to acknowledge the culture of the place we have moved to. And we really hate it when the people of the country we have moved to don't support the sport/culture/politics of our homeland. How very dare they?'
"I mean, we civilised them, gave them our sport, culture, etc,..."

Currently in Edinburgh. We were in a Sports bar yesterday fir the Six Nations. Lots of Scottish and Irish fans, and French. No noticeable English fans (as in no shirts).

During the game though... I reckon it was a 70/30 split for support. All the trys for both teams were widely cheered. The fans for the two sides were mingling freely.

DH did comment he wouldn't try doing the same for the England/Scotland game though. (He is obviously English, living in Scotland. I'm actually half English/Scottish but live in England).

The Harrying of the North was in the 11th century after William the Conquer took over, nothing to do with the Scots. 1603 was the union of the crowns and James VI was welcomed in England because they didn't want another queen (Arbella Stuart).

I'm a Scot living in NE England. I support ABE in mens football because I hate the hooliganism and VAWG associated with English football, England were banned from international competitions in the 80s it was so bad (yes I'm old and remember it). The English football fans are so convinced they deserve to win every competition going and are so angry at the managers and players when they don't. My DC are England supporters, but I think it's good for them to see DH and me support other teams and have a more measured view of the importance of winning and losing when they live in a country that places so much importance on winning.

Now trying to work out how to say one so that it doesn't sound like won!

As a Scottish person I can say that media 100% adds to it.
Tennis for example when Andy Murray was doing well he was 'British' but whenever he lost it was 'Scottish Andy Murray!

And yeah majority of the time it is humour and everyone without a stick up their ass gets that just fine.

People like you are why everyone else hates the English.
Smug, think too highly of themselves and clearly based on this thread also have a sense of humour failure.

This was also my experience when I lived in England. Maybe the media are to blame but it’s massively overdone.

Off topic, but you don’t live in the same country as your DH?