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For stopping a man taking his daughter in swimming pool changing room?

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Anotsolittlemermaid · 06/02/2025 23:58

I am a regular user but changed name for this as I’ve spoken to a few people about it so it could be outing. I apologise it’s quite a long post but couldn’t cut it much shorter as context is needed.

I have a monthly subscription to a gym with a swimming pool that’s part of a hotel, on a Wednesday there is women’s aqua aerobics from 7-8 then adult only time from 8pm till 10pm.

Yesterday evening I got to the pool at about 8.15 after aqua aerobics and there was a man who was just arriving at the pool with his young daughter who was about 4/5.

He was being quite annoying letting her disrupt people by jumping in where people were swimming, getting in the path of other swimmers, throwing floats used for aqua across the pool and he was picking her up and throwing her.
The little girl was shrieking and screaming and a few people gave annoyed looks over at him but he carried on getting in everyone’s way.

In the end after about 20 minutes a member of staff came over and asked the man to leave the pool as children’s hours had finished, he argued a bit saying he was trying to tire his daughter out so she would sleep but the staff member was firm and said there had been two sessions of children’s hours for 2 hours at a time earlier in the day that he had been welcome to use but people who wanted to swim properly deliberately avoided them and came later.

The women’s changing room was still busy after aqua and it was mostly women swimming in the pool who had stayed after aqua to continue swimming. The changing rooms are right next to the pool so you can hear when people are in them. The men’s seemed empty but the man and his daughter were also hotel guests so he could have wrapped a towel around her and gone back to the room. He had towels and a hotel robe for himself with him.

When he got out of the pool he put the robe on but took his daughter by the hand and walked towards the women’s changing room obviously intending to go in.

The changing room is open plan with only one cubicle, it had 8 showers, 4 are in cubicles but the other 4 are open, when I had undressed before swimming the changing room had been busy with lots of women using the showers and changing after aqua, there were obviously a few women still in there as I could hear chatting and the hairdryer going.

I had been swimming lengths at the edge of the pool opposite the changing room entrance so when I saw him heading to the women’s I called out to him “sorry but that’s the ladies and it’s busy, you can take your daughter to the men’s I’m sure it’s empty or can you not just put your towel around her and go to your room?”

The man glared at me and said he wasn’t taking his daughter into a room where men might be undressing and he had taken her into changing rooms before where no one had ever had a problem.

I said it was more likely they did have a problem but didn’t feel comfortable saying so, I was getting angry at this point so I said I’d go and get the member of staff to see what he said.

The man obviously knew the staff member wasn’t going to approve this and started ranting about how awful it was that first his daughter had been asked to leave the pool and now he couldn’t even get her dry and dressed again because of busy bodies sticking their oar in. Another women who was swimming and had overheard backed me up that it was completely inappropriate and no one over 8 is allowed in the opposite sex changing room. The man wasn’t happy but wrapped his daughter in the towel and took her his hotel room as I’d suggested. As he was wearing the robe I have no idea if he had planned to use the women’s changing room to shower and get changed himself or not.

I hate confrontation but the other women thanked me for saying something, I spoke to the staff member when I’d finished my swim and he agreed that the man should have used the men’s changing room where there was a free cubicle. He said he’d been cheeky enough bringing his daughter during adult hours when he’d been told earlier he wouldn’t be allowed when he’d asked about it.

I assumed most people would agree with me but my friend said I was completely out of order, she said the little girl was the one who was important and it was much safer and more appropriate for her to get changed in the ladies, she said most mums would be understanding about a father bringing his daughter in and could have got changed under a towel, when I mentioned he had also been in the pool and was possibly planning on getting undressed himself she said “well no one has to look if they don’t want to”
I didn’t want to keep discussing it with her as we had argued before years ago about her bringing her 11 year old son and nephews into ladies changing rooms and I realised she was the wrong person to mention it to.

I also mentioned it to DP and he said that I was right to stop the man going in the ladies but he equally feels uncomfortable when men bring their daughters in, he also swims and said the previous week a little girl had been running naked round the changing room whilst her dad was looking at his phone and he would never allow his daughter to do that as you just don’t know what other men are thinking.

There are no family changing rooms as it’s not really a kids pool with it being attached to a gym and it’s mainly set up for members comfort. The majority of people who bring kids are hotel guests who have rooms.

I don’t feel IABU really but after hearing my friend and DP’s opinion I just wondered what others thought about it. Was I wrong to suggest the man takes his daughter into the men’s changing room? On this occasion a cubicle was free but if it hadn’t been then do some people really think that women should be expected to get showered and undressed in front of a man when he could take her into the mens changing room?
I’m just interested in others thoughts.

There is also a disabled changing room but only one and in my opinion it’s wrong to take that over if you don’t have a disability.

OP posts:
MrsJHernandez · 07/02/2025 00:48

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:40

If I sent you in to the male changing room with your dad (or another equivalent make family member) would you be happy to change in front of the group of naked men in front of you?

I don’t bro I’ve grown men should be in womens’ changing rooms but more appropriate facilities need to be provided for children

Little children don't care who sees them naked. And dad is there to protect her. Women can't be protected from male perverts in the female changing rooms.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:49

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:46

Exactly. Men are often creepy/ predatory/weird and no little girl OR woman should be exposed to that.

appropriate change facilities need to be provided for parents and their children (of both sexes)

Yes that would be ideal but in the absence of family changing rooms the only appropriate thing to do is to take your DD into the men’s. That child is not more important than the other woman and girls collectively

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 07/02/2025 00:50

Lozzq · 07/02/2025 00:40

I think you are being a bit harsh, he’s trying to do a nice activity with his daughter, as he’s a guest and most hotel pools don’t have strict timetables so its pretty frustrating to go for a swim and find out that it’s restricted. Also the fact there are no family changing rooms is not ideal, I would find it extremely creepy for a little girl having to change in a males changing area. Yes going up to the room was probably a better option but give the guy a break!

Give him a break?! She called out to stop him from walking in on a bunch of women getting showered and dressed. I'm sure you'd appreciate her efforts if you were one of those women.

It only turned into a drama because he wanted to argue about it.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:50

MrsJHernandez · 07/02/2025 00:48

Little children don't care who sees them naked. And dad is there to protect her. Women can't be protected from male perverts in the female changing rooms.

TBF my DH never got DD changed in the communal bits but it didn’t take a genius to figure out how to change your child in private and make sure she didn’t see naked men!

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:50

MrsJHernandez · 07/02/2025 00:48

Little children don't care who sees them naked. And dad is there to protect her. Women can't be protected from male perverts in the female changing rooms.

‘Little children don’t care who sees them naked’

Wow

Gardensandparks · 07/02/2025 00:51

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:45

TBF an 11 year old boy is more than capable of changing in the boys. In fact I’d say an 8yo should. Totally inappropriate of you to bring them in the ladies at that age.

To be fair, it was during children’s swimming lessons times and not adult swimming times, but in a huge London busy swimming pool where I was responsible for four kids I didn’t feel comfortable sending the older one off alone… he always showered in a private cubicle and then dressed and waited outside with the other older child. Must admit I always found this a tough one until he was in secondary and no longer with us for the swimming lessons… but I’m saying I’d get complaints when they were all under 6! Not just as they got older.

sleepwouldbenice · 07/02/2025 00:51

This overall debate has been had so many times on Mumsnet

Obviously excluding children with special needs, the 8 year old rule described previously is well known and usually signs are up to this effect

Obviously some places have mixed changing rooms or family areas so no problem there, but many don't. What can be annoying in hotels is that, as well as not have mixed changing, they don't out signs up for clarity . But the OP has said there were signs....

So he just repeatedly ignored previous advice and signs and did what he wanted.... yanbu

latetothefisting · 07/02/2025 00:51

Of course you were in the right

I understand your DH's thought process but it doesn't really make that much sense if you give it even the basic interrogation, and certainly isn't 'solved' by letting men in the women's changing rooms!

"as you just don’t know what other men are thinking,"
a - again, this is a men's issue for men to solve, if they think other men are behaving inappropriately or making a place unsafe. Not for women to solve for them by giving up their safe spaces
b - as grim as it may be, 'thinking' isn't a crime. As long as the young girls are accompanied in the men's changing rooms (and why wouldn't they be, that's the whole issue), then they aren't going to come to any harm. The girl running around naked isn't going to know, or be in any way damaged by, what men might be 'thinking'.

c - If a dodgy man is going to inappropriately 'think' about young girls in a state of undress they can do so anywhere
d - If the father doesn't want anyone seeing his daughter naked he can her to a cubicle
e - The moment one man is present in the woman's changing room then you'll have exactly the same problem - makes it fine for any other man to also come in with their daughter.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:53

Gardensandparks · 07/02/2025 00:51

To be fair, it was during children’s swimming lessons times and not adult swimming times, but in a huge London busy swimming pool where I was responsible for four kids I didn’t feel comfortable sending the older one off alone… he always showered in a private cubicle and then dressed and waited outside with the other older child. Must admit I always found this a tough one until he was in secondary and no longer with us for the swimming lessons… but I’m saying I’d get complaints when they were all under 6! Not just as they got older.

9 and 11 is way too old. And unfair on the little girls using the changing rooms.

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 07/02/2025 00:54

Gardensandparks · 07/02/2025 00:42

I was once a nanny for four boys for 8 years. They were all under the age of 6 when I started so I had swimming lessons with all 4 for 5 years. I had no choice but to change all boys in the ladies changing room including showering and drying hair (while two were twins of 2 years old at the beginning). I had complaints at least once out of every month from ladies (usually older) that I shouldn’t have boys in the ladies changing room. Meanwhile - what option do I have with 4 children? It was worse when the elder two were 9 and 11. I was not going to let people bully me to have children get changed alone in a men’s room on my watch. They were little boys! People need to have some common sense!

That's disgraceful. What if girls from their school had been in there getting changed? Humiliating for everyone, and unsafe for the girls. Boys are only wearing bottoms fgs, they can wrap a towel around their waist and get changed anywhere. Shower them at home.

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:54

latetothefisting · 07/02/2025 00:51

Of course you were in the right

I understand your DH's thought process but it doesn't really make that much sense if you give it even the basic interrogation, and certainly isn't 'solved' by letting men in the women's changing rooms!

"as you just don’t know what other men are thinking,"
a - again, this is a men's issue for men to solve, if they think other men are behaving inappropriately or making a place unsafe. Not for women to solve for them by giving up their safe spaces
b - as grim as it may be, 'thinking' isn't a crime. As long as the young girls are accompanied in the men's changing rooms (and why wouldn't they be, that's the whole issue), then they aren't going to come to any harm. The girl running around naked isn't going to know, or be in any way damaged by, what men might be 'thinking'.

c - If a dodgy man is going to inappropriately 'think' about young girls in a state of undress they can do so anywhere
d - If the father doesn't want anyone seeing his daughter naked he can her to a cubicle
e - The moment one man is present in the woman's changing room then you'll have exactly the same problem - makes it fine for any other man to also come in with their daughter.

You points a-c are moot because they can be applied to also minimise a man walking in to a women’s changing room

HippogriffTattoo · 07/02/2025 00:54

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

As he is a hotel guest... I'd suggest their room Hmm

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:55

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:54

You points a-c are moot because they can be applied to also minimise a man walking in to a women’s changing room

They’re not moot at all. They’re absolutely spot on

latetothefisting · 07/02/2025 00:55

BigBlueEyes678 · 07/02/2025 00:31

I think YABU. The little girl's comfort and safety is most important and I think he had the right instinct on this. I wouldn't want an 8 year old girl in a men's changing room, I think that's worse.

why is his little girl's comfort and safety more important than the comfort and safety of all the other women and girls wanting to get changed?

If it's not appropriate for that one little girl to get changed in the men's, because she might see them naked or they might see her - why is it okay for someone else's 8 year old girl to see/be seen by that girl's dad as he accompanies her into the women's?

Mumtobabyhavoc · 07/02/2025 00:56

I'm voting for using the disabled, but very quickly.

mallorytowers8282 · 07/02/2025 00:56

blackandwhitefur · 07/02/2025 00:05

Where is he supposed to get his daughter changed then?

Eh? In the cubicle in the mens. The way everybody else does it.

Men don't get free access to ladies spaces just because they have a child with them.

If I'm swimming with my young son, he comes in the ladies with me. I don't go into the mens changing rooms!

Regardless, in this instance they were actually guests of the hotel, so they could have just gone back to the room, which is what they did.

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:56

Mumtobabyhavoc · 07/02/2025 00:56

I'm voting for using the disabled, but very quickly.

It’s not on disabled people to sacrifice their spaces to accommodate selfish arseholes with a perfectly fine alternative than the disabled toilet

EconomyClassRockstar · 07/02/2025 00:58

All these posters so infuriated about 8 year old boys being in the women's changing rooms (oh, the horror!), have you ever asked your DH or your brothers or your male friends what they have seen or experienced as young boys alone in the male changing rooms/toilets? Because it's not just girls and women who are vulnerable.

All swimming pools should offer proper family changing rooms or just have every bloody changing room have a door so that everyone has privacy, with some double sized for people with children.

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:58

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:55

They’re not moot at all. They’re absolutely spot on

No. They can also be applied to justify a man being inside a woman’s changing room so not helpful at all.

Children (as well as women) need to be provided with designated safe changing spaces

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 00:59

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:58

No. They can also be applied to justify a man being inside a woman’s changing room so not helpful at all.

Children (as well as women) need to be provided with designated safe changing spaces

How can “this a man’s problem to solve” be justified in a man accessing a woman’s space?

LittleBigHead · 07/02/2025 00:59

You were absolutely correct to do and say what you did @Anotsolittlemermaid Thank you for standing up to an entitled atrse of a man.

He had so many alternatives, but he CHOSE to invade a woman's single sex space and threaten you.

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 01:00

latetothefisting · 07/02/2025 00:55

why is his little girl's comfort and safety more important than the comfort and safety of all the other women and girls wanting to get changed?

If it's not appropriate for that one little girl to get changed in the men's, because she might see them naked or they might see her - why is it okay for someone else's 8 year old girl to see/be seen by that girl's dad as he accompanies her into the women's?

Both are equally unacceptable

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 01:00

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 00:58

No. They can also be applied to justify a man being inside a woman’s changing room so not helpful at all.

Children (as well as women) need to be provided with designated safe changing spaces

Children (as well as women) need to be provided with designated safe changing spaces

Agreed but in the absence of that, what do you think should be done? Every Tom Dick and Harry impinges on women’s safe spaces because they don’t trust the other Toms Dicks and Harry’s?

Inbetweensomnia · 07/02/2025 01:00

Namechangedforthis25 · 07/02/2025 00:08

I don’t know the answer
but no way would I want my 5 year old daughter to be naked in front of men or see grown men naked

I think he was a good father for trying to do what he did - but I can see it from your side too

But if he goes into the women's changing rooms there would be naked girls who'd then have to change in front of him and they wouldn't even have had a warning.

When dh takes dd swimming he either takes her to the family rooms or he takes her to the men's even though he said he doesn't like it. Same if she needs the toilet. He always takes her to the men's toilet. It's not ideal so if I'm there I take the kids with me into the women's but there's no way he'd go into women's changing rooms or toilets if he's alone with the kids.

A good father should model respectful, decent behaviour to his children. Presumably if she goes into the men's changing rooms with him he can make sure he keeps her safe there. And if it's not OK for his daughter to change in front of other men then why on earth would it be ok for other girls or women to change in front of him?

BottomWibblyWob · 07/02/2025 01:01

Greenbottle123 · 07/02/2025 01:00

Both are equally unacceptable

No it’s acceptable for a girl to be where her parent is. It’s not acceptable for any reason for a man to be in a woman’s changing room?

What happens int he likely event there’s someone else’s 4yo in the ladies when he walks in? Who wins then?

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