A man undressing in front of a woman without her consent is an act of intimidation and control. Men do not acquire consent by identifying as women

[SernieBanders]

How and why has it become anything but voyeurism and control?

What on earth can be done to reverse the madness?

Trans staff should always be given dignified, adequate, separate changing spaces. Females should never feel cowed, silenced, intimidated into putting up with a man looking at them half naked.

Background.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/why-scots-nurse-sandie-peggie-has-taken-nhs-fife-to-tribunal-over-dr-beth-upton-transgender-dispute-4974664

(Phrase inspired by a tweet from x.com/SonyaDouglas )

If you look on Facebook there are photos

Plenty on X as well.

The beard is a very fetching and feminine feature I feel

Here we go:

https://metro.co.uk/2022/10/20/hospital-cancels-gender-critical-womans-surgery-over-17604469/

'In her email, Ms Green said the hospital ‘did not share’ her gender-critical beliefs and she should make alternative arrangements for her surgery.' Comply with the ideology, or don't have your surgery.

go big or go home 🤷‍♀️

I want the optic of opting to arrest the Judge who agreed. 😬

That would as I understand fall within battery so a criminal issue as consent was not obtained.

NHS in Brighton opted to lable the female patient transphobic for even asking.

Only a filthy bigot would say such an awful thing.

🤔

Tbh, I actually think it's the opposite - that women are "trained" to ignore their instincts.

I also happily went around thinking I could trust all men unless they were actively abusive, and that my male friends were no more of a sexual threat than my female friends. Until I was raped by one of the men who I thought I was completely safe around. I guess that was my "advanced training"?

Thanks for this. I've also reported the account for targeted harassment.

me as well, everyone quick!!

Reported.

There's a book called the gift of fear (you might already have read it) which digs into this. It's written by a man who provided security for hollywood actresses (and he says all of them have multiple stalkers at any given time) and his main point is basically to trust the gut feeling always, don't talk yourself out of it.

During her evidence, Ms Peggie confirmed she had called Dr Upton a man and said she believed the medic was a biological male.
She acknowledged that this would be considered harassment under NHS Fife's diversity and equality guidance
Harassment? 🙄

It reminds me of the time that Bill Clinton was asked if he'd had sex with Monica Lewinsky, and asked for a definition of sexual relations, and based on their definition, said no.

Everyone knows the truth.

wow it looks like Dr Upton is not showing up to be cross examined by NC today - the start of the tribunals Friday session is 1.5 hours delayed so far

I'm not surprised, tbh. What happens if he just refuses to show up? Does it continue without his evidence?

He's there now. Just about to start.

The delay was due to a security guard absence; but Naomi Cunningham also says that DrU and/or Fife has failed to comply with a disclosure order from the court. (See other thread about the hearing, running in 'real time'.)

When I worked in hospitals we changed in same locker room but the men either changed first or after us. Occasionally someone walked in by mistake but quickly apologised. When you're just putting scrubs on it's not like you're faffing with tights and a dress. And we often wore a vest or tshirt under scrubs, sometimes leggings too in winter (they're chilly polyester!)

We also used our office to change at times, but would tell any men on the computers to look away or vice versa. I'm sure men don't want women watching them undress/dress either! During covid we changed a lot, so had to use whatever space we had in a respectful way.

Very much agree and have been following the tribunal

It is a question of who was bullying whom? Doctor Upton gave testimony yesterday that they had kept notes of everyone who was not enthusiastically welcoming of their TW identity - even stopping their A&E work to write up these notes months before the actual confrontation occurred.

Doctor Upton's notes were also contradictory - a notes DU had made of of Sandie Peggie included

• DU felt it was harassment that SP waited outside the female changing room until DU had finished changing
• DU felt it was harassment that SP came into the changing room
• DU felt that SP looked at them in a "funny way" and felt that was also harassment

DU has also been off sick for many months because of their upset

Du is also apparently training to be a psychiatrist ....

Du is also apparently training to be a psychiatrist ....

Physician, heal thyself.

I reported a couple of days ago and had an email this morning to say that Twitter didn't find anything wrong with the account. 😡

Reading the transcript of the tribunal I can't get on board with a woman being barred from working because they won't lie about someone's sex

How can we be here with this?

No wonder the edifice is collapsing

Placemarking.

There are societies/tribes where nudity is perfectly normal. They don't instinctually feel threatened by the opposite sex. What happened to you was horrendous but that isn't indicative of society as a whole.