A man undressing in front of a woman without her consent is an act of intimidation and control. Men do not acquire consent by identifying as women

[SernieBanders]

How and why has it become anything but voyeurism and control?

What on earth can be done to reverse the madness?

Trans staff should always be given dignified, adequate, separate changing spaces. Females should never feel cowed, silenced, intimidated into putting up with a man looking at them half naked.

Background.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/why-scots-nurse-sandie-peggie-has-taken-nhs-fife-to-tribunal-over-dr-beth-upton-transgender-dispute-4974664

(Phrase inspired by a tweet from x.com/SonyaDouglas )

He is a trained medic.

After working in the UK medical system yet failing to understand the need to obtain consent when in a room where someone male or female has an expectation of privacy and has not consented to disrobe with him in the room.
That might be a problem.

He knew or should have known he has no "rights" in that situation.

Nobody was banned from the US military. They are just not allowed to pretend to be a sex they are not

Yep, my bad. 10-12% yanbu and everyone else is with the op.

It’s the same when it’s put as ‘transgender people banned from taking part in sport!’.

So misleading and untrue.

I can see a situation where someone will use pernicious language and actions which are undoubtedly designed to 'other' a person, whilst also giving plausible deniability, but equally I can see a situation where someone is deliberately acting in a way to get under the skin of another person, and moreso in a doctor/nurse dynamic where that person can also have some ego.

Oh ffs, we're talking about calling a man a man here. Basic statement of reality.

If people have a problem with reality they need to deal with it. Not shoot the perfectly reasonable messangers, stating fact

I'm on the app so can't vote but YADNBU. I hope that Peggie, and the Durham victims, win hand over fist. They all tried to follow the official route and complain, but the whole point of these tribunals is that the hospital HR departments were (and are) so captured that these complaints were seen, not as entirely reasonable objections to stripping off in front of members of the opposite sex, but as a reason for disciplinary action against the nurses. They have shown great courage in going to tribunals and thank heavens for the sensible judge who ruled that Dr Upton could be named and that right sex pronouns could be used.

You are absolutely NBU .

How come that sending an unsolicited dick pic to a woman is a criminal offence and the woman is the victim but having your dick out in a woman’s changing room for all to see is ‘inclusive’ and to object makes the women bigots and bullies?

Nope. Just disagreeing with the premise that A man undressing in front of a woman without her consent is an act of intimidation and control.

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I would put money on the fact that someone with strong opinions hasn't been quietly getting along with Dr Upton.

Ooooo, a woman who dares to have opinions, rather than serve as a handmaiden to the great glorious man - however he identifies.

What was the time line involved?
Did this event happen before or after the doctor began using the changing room?

If not which actions if any happened before the doctor began using the changing room?

I believe those who are in a minority, shouldn't be harassed or vilified for being who they want to be.

How about Stefoknee?. Should he be allowed to be who he wants to be and mix with six year old children?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-father-stefonknee-wolscht-who-left-family-to-be-a-sixyearold-girl-uses-child-s-play-to-escape-adult-life-a6775051.html

Do all of you people seriously not understand what it means to be a trans woman? They’re not saying they’re trans to “get a sneaky peak” at other women. They identify as women. It’s hypocritical to say that you care that one woman (the nurse in this instance) is being made to feel uncomfortable undressing in front of a man, but another woman (the doctor) isn’t allowed to feel comfortable undressing in front of men. Or they are, but they’re not allowed to feel comfortable and included amongst other women? Trans women are women. Full stop. Stop trying to make them out to be some separate entity that needs their own space with a big flashing arrow pointing at it. Allow them to live out their lives in the body they should have been in all along.

Humans cannot change sex. Exactly like every other mammal species.

Transwomen, having been born male, remain male.

What quantifiable characteristic does a transwoman have, that is the same as a biological, natal woman?

Think about why natal women need, and originally campaigned for single sex spaces. To escape from male threat and control.

Unless you define a woman as how someone dresses, and their internal feelings about themselves, a transwoman is a man. The clue is in the name. Trans means opposite.

And, even if you, personally, chose to define women as a state of mind and clothes, many of us don't.

I'm a woman, to every last cell in my body. There are situations when biological sex shouldnt matter, but when the situation involves removing clothing, consent matters.

I don't consent to getting changed in the same space as a male, regardless of how nice he is, or how he feels or 'presents'.

Are you going to force me?

Any UK doctor has being trained to identify that humans are classified by sex of which there are only 2.

The doctor is able to correctly work out that he ia of the male sex class.

He may not feel comfortable undressing with a member of his own sex in a single sex changing room.

However this discomfort should be resolved by his employer forcing female staff to undress im a changing room beside him.

If that happens the employer is operating a two tier system where female staff are disadvantaged.

This incident literally happened in a hospital. The decision would have been reviewed by trained doctors. If all doctors have been trained to identify humans in the way that you describe then why did they make the decision to support this WOMAN?
Also please stop using “HE” to refer to a woman.

This doctor is legally and biologically a man. Employers are required to provide single sex facilities.

This man's internal feelings do not change the reality that he's a man.

Why should his feelings be prioritised over women's feelings of discomfort undressing in front of a man?

Why should HER feelings be prioritised over another woman’s? Exactly. Why SHOULD one woman’s feelings be prioritized over another?! Unless one of them is making the other feel unwelcome and ostracised like this nurse has. Do women fear other women being in a changing room with them? What exactly about this is different? Could the other women in the changing room not be lesbians? Maybe all of the women are all mentally undressing eachother. Maybe they all have the capacicity to perve on one another or attack one another before their shift because that’s absolutely what all female doctors and nurses are thinking when they go to change, right?

It's a shame we seem to be so upset by nudity in this country and automatically think it's all to do with sex always. It really isn't.

Why should HER feelings be prioritised over another woman’s? Exactly. Why SHOULD one woman’s feelings be prioritized over another?!

Again with the counterfactual.

There is no "other woman". There is an adult human female, a woman, and an adult human male, a man.

Wrong.

No, absolutely correct.

Humans cannot change sex.

This news story has made me unapologetically GC but I saw some posts on reddit which said some nonsense like if she is a nurse she should be used to penises.

Absolutely no regard for women who may be from more conservative backgrounds, who don't want to undress in front of people who aren't their husbands. Why are their sensitivities less important than that of trans people.

This is disgustingly homophobic. Shame on you.

HE is a man. Biologically and legally. I use sex based pronouns. I will not have my speech compelled.

He's biologically and legally male. He's a man.