Another stabbing at a school?

[PassingStranger]

Fgs......
When will someone get a grip on all this?
How much more can people take.

People will be to scared to send their children to school?
Teachers will leave, then there might not be any school anyway!!!

What are they arguing about at school anyway
Is this gang related or a disagreement?
A girl has also been found guilty today of stabbing a teacher last year too.😫

No not ignored but its not likely that kids that get like this have good routines and sanctions or expectations at home to any great degree. Some might

On the other hand there are children who are allocated a space at a PRU when their parents might say that they've been fighting tooth and nail to get an EHCP or ND diagnosis but are on mammoth waiting lists, because their child cant cope in mainstream and need a specialist school and that their child's angry and dysregulated behaviour is not supported and now they're mixing with children who are a risk to their own child.
Those parents would say that there isnt a suitable provision for their child and being out of school is damaging to that child
Perhaps your 15 year old is violent to you, you cant control if he goes out and gets into trouble. Neither can any carer.

Then there is the issue of how does someone stay at home and supervise a child all day if you need to work? You cant just choose to claim benefits (even if that pays your rent, you're buggered if you have a mortgage) to stay at home to look after a 15 year old

Previous government cut funding for various schemes to help disadvantaged kids take a different path. Or the funding expired and they just didn't renew it, I can't remember which. I think the current government didn't renew it either.

Intervention is key but I honestly don't have a simple answer.

Don’t work for whom?
The kids ruining other kids’ education and assaulting pupils/ staff or the innocent ones trying to learn and be safe?

Is deck day a thing or a typo? Honestly, I can't keep up with the World these days!

I'll rephrase it. They don't stop the perpetrator living a life of crime.

If we want knife crime to stop, we need to find ways of stopping people engaging in criminal activity in the first place.

Another horrifying stat was something like "X% (can't recall the figure) of knife crime victims are also perpetrators". It's truly shocking.

Her daughters age

But what does any of that translate to in reality? There's little point making children safer in school if the wider world they move in is full of people waiting to stab them when they cross the threshold of the school gates. Getting disturbed and violent children out of school is the easy bit.

I can guarantee the teachers don't want them back. Often the local authority force their hand

If "shitting all over the US" means commenting on how awful school shootings are then I shat all over Sweden today.

Do you think it's not possible to abhor both US shootings AND UK stabbings simultaneously?

You sound like you think you're the only person who wants this sorted.

The US also has a bigger problem with murders by stabbing than the UK, as well as their gun deaths.

They do stop it affecting all the kids at that school though. It’s a protective measure.

Then you need to stop the drugs trade by either legalising it or not turning the blind eye to the person smoking a joint down the street.

Police either need to enforce when someone complains it’s seeping thought he walls or gov need to legalise and sell it making the crime behind it no longer viable.

Good way would be harsher penalties and punishment for criminality?

True, in the school yes. But many many kids have been stabbed outside of schools, on parks, buses, in the streets, in shopping centres etc.

One kid was stabbed to death as he was literally near his own door step. How does exclusion work when these things are happening?

Yes, drugs plays a huge part but in many cases they also don't. Broken homes plays a big part. Poor parenting. Mental health issues. Trauma. Feeling left out of society. Poverty. And also the glamorisation of knife crime on SM or just tooling up because you know someone else is tooled up.

Exclusion from school isn't a catch all solution. It often makes the perpetrator do other criminal activity instead. If parents are working and child is excluded who makes sure child isn't up to no good?

These kids will use knives if they are part of gangs, county lines, postcodes etc. Excluding them doesn't solve this problem. It just makes the school day safer. School should be a safe place. But then again so should any public area.

Lock them up at the earliest possible opportunity. Mark their cards, look to habitualize them in prison, and do not let them out unless there is a VERY good reason to. Make the safety of law-abiders a priority over the wellbeing of law-breakers. They had their chance in life and wasted it.

And simply put, prisons are full. Which is why a lot of convicts got early release.

I don't get what motives a teenager to stab another teenager to death.

I've had fights and stuff but would never consider taking the life of a bully, no matter how bad.

I honestly believe it takes a village to raise a child. I don't think the break down of community has helped. People seem different now to me than they did say 30 years ago.

When I was a kid, if you fucked around with another kid, their parents knew, your parents knew and you'd be disciplined accordingly. Nowadays many kids aren't brought up with the same respect levels. I think it stems from shitty parenting.

That’s not an issue for schools. Schools are for education. They’re not for criminal rehabilitation. It shouldn’t be in anyway considered to be in their remit or responsibility.
If a child comes to school with a weapon/ seriously assaults anyone/ consistently impedes other pupils’ learning, they should be immediately removed and there should be professional bodies responsible for them. These bodies need proper training and funding.

It’s insane to expect schools to deal with criminal behaviour and expect children to face it every day.

OK. So are you stating its only a concern when it happens in schools? I agree it's a concern when it happens in schools but I also think it's a big bloody concern that it's happening anywhere at all.

You're asking what can be done about schools and ignoring the context that a lot of stuff happens outside of them, which occasionally gets brought into them.

We are living in a world where teachers have been banned from using the word ‘no’. Unfortunately we are going to see an increase in violence and attacks in schools as years go on. Makes me scared for my children growing up

I don't know any school that bans the word no.
It's used regularly in all schools I know of, including my own.
The other buts - the explanations, the 'gentle' approach style comments you refer to in the next post - are in addition generally.

Whilst schools aren't perfect I don't know of a single teacher or TA who has been told they can't say no to a child.

However, yes - there has been an increase in violence and aggression in schools. Most research shows a big rise in violence and aggression towards teaching staff from children AND their parents. This is across all age ranges too. In primary schools there has been a large rise, including of more serious assaults, with the most common age of the child being just 6!

No. I think I’ve been as clear as I can about my stance but I will try again.
Schools should not be expected to deal with children like this. We need professional organisations with the necessary training, facilities and funding to deal with them.
The moment that a school feels unequipped to deal with a child’s behaviour, they should be able to make a referral and remove them. Without fear of fines or judgement.

It was made illegal in schools but it's not illegal in England for parents to physically chastise their own child. I'm not sure your argument holds up. Violence begets violence so the child seeing violence at home sees it as normal. Leafned behaviour.