Another stabbing at a school?

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Fgs......
When will someone get a grip on all this?
How much more can people take.

People will be to scared to send their children to school?
Teachers will leave, then there might not be any school anyway!!!

What are they arguing about at school anyway
Is this gang related or a disagreement?
A girl has also been found guilty today of stabbing a teacher last year too.😫

I don’t care if they care, either! Hopefully, the PRU will keep them off the streets and give them targeted support to help them turn their lives around. But if that fails, well at least they’re not disrupting or threatening the other kids.

I’ve had a child attacked recently during school. The child got a detention. It’s pathetic.

There needs to be zero tolerance policy in mainstream schooling with violent children sent to specialist settings with their clearly like minded peers.

Surely its worse then if the position is that kids do and say all sorts of things because their brains are still developing, they're higher risk for being more erratic and less predictable and less reasonable than an adult carrying a knife into my office (which of course wouldnt be tolerated)

I'd be interested to see the stats on that whether its more of a problem that contact continues or not. In my experience this unsettles children more than an ongoing relationship. I think a lot of boys grow up with an internalised self loathing because they are constantly triggered that half of what made them is shit

Either because their dad really is shit, by that I mean in prison, violent, frightening

Or because the narrative around the father is wholly negative, hes a let down, he never does anything for you, he never did anything for me, he never gives us any money, hes with that new woman now, he prefers to spend time with her than you, Im just telling you the truth about him, etc etc etc

Even when its not as overt as that, the message is insidiously there and present all the time. Your dad, who made you and you are half of him, is a pile of shit.

I work at a secondary school and today we were told there would be lockdown drills starting up soon.

Our head has permanently excluded two students since September.No weapons used.Fist fighting.It does happen

Bet the parents didn't realise they could go to IRP and were likely to get it withdrawn. After costing the school (if an academy like most are) or the LA a shitload of money to engage an independent SEND consultant even if there's never been the slightest hint of unmet needs previously, of course.

We have a lockdown drill scheduled for next week.

In out local news, a primary school went into lockdown yesterday. A man was spotted walking around with a machete - the events aren’t connected though 🤷‍♀️

I live in the West Mids. I watched the Idris Elba documentary and it didn’t surprise me that we have the highest number of knife crime in England. There have been two fatalities half a mile away from me since I have lived in my area. They were gang related and I don’t think local residents worried too much because it was “a gang member” until a boy lost his life due to mistaken identity.

Where are all the pupil referral units? It would be great if they properly existed and had plenty of funding.

What is it people think a PRU is by the way

Its being spoken about here as if its either a punishment or something that is going to fix a child

Its just another educational provision, but putting lots of disaffected, often quite vulnerable children together, sometimes they will be violent, bullies and the bullied, the ones that cant cope either in a maintstream school but dont have a specialist provision identified/not deemed to need one

The idea is that schools have a set number of places at a PRU or can use them inbetween their sister schools, but only for a set time, to aid the child to reintegrate back into their school (which they remain on roll at)

There are often lots of violent incident at PRUs as well, both to pupils and teachers.

Its not a borstal type of arrangement that seems to be being implied by a number of posts

It is pretty obvious that the exclusions are because of the problematic behaviour, not the thing causing it. I don’t think it is fair on the other pupils. Adults aren’t expected to put up with violent colleagues.

Yes and no. Often these are young people who wont or cant engage with services to try to effect behaviour change. These types of threads are always full of 'support' cries but you have to engage with those to be of any effect. Therefore, you're right that the current behavior is the cause of the later behaviour, its a pattern that cant or wont change

The problem comes when children are excluded and then spend the day hanging around with other excluded children, people keep mentioning a PRU for example, those time tables are often part time, or part of the week. The rest of the week the child is drifting, keeping children in school and exposed to non anti social behaviour is a protective factor. If the PRU cant meet need, there is no where for that child to go, there isnt a provision to accept them, months and sometimes years drift by with attempts to source a provision, all the while the child is not accessing any routine or intervention at all.

However no government (and the public dont seem to want this either) has enforced any mandatory intervention for keeping children occupied during the day so that they dont get the chance to engage with others who are also angry, violent, disaffected, looking for trouble, dysregulated or vulnerable.

Boys do not need a male role model.
They need a non-toxic male role model.

I've lost track of the number of boys at my dc's schools who take after their twatty gobby dads in their two parent families.

"Research consistently shows that school exclusion has a significant negative impact on students, leading to poorer mental health, increased behavioral difficulties, lower academic achievement, higher unemployment rates, and a greater likelihood of future criminal activity; essentially, it can severely disrupt a child's life trajectory and future opportunities"

And this poster's take on the problem and the policy decisions as a result of research like this is why the problem exists in thr first place.

I would be interested in seeing some research around the impact on all the rest of the kids who have to endure years of being locked in a building, permanently on edge with classmates who at any given time could choose to seriously assault them.
What about the long term impact on all these scared kids?
Why is their wellbeing much less important?

The problem with having metal detectors at school gates is kids have mobile phones and it will only take one message to let then all know and they will put those knives hidden somewhere off school premises. They could then have a fight off school premises and stab each other then.
I don't have the answers but there are charities out there visiting schools to try to get to the bottom of it. Parents do have some responsibilities.

I watched a documentary which is currently on iplayer with idris Elba.

Exclusions are proven to not work. The excluded kids go out and knock around with older kids or kids who have also been excluded and get up to all sorts. The documentary is eye opening and angry making at the same time.

Excluded from mainstream children need a specialist school not just a pru for troubled children frankly. Proper structure. Strict as fuck teachers. But also good extra curricular like sports and such to foster good relationships with say coaches and team playing.

Not quite boarding although maybe it could be offered as an option the parents could take up along side a parenting course.

You should have been having lockdown drills for years though.

The problem is, there are other children who are in school because they want a good quality education and they deserve that. If you look at the average amount of time teachers spend on dealing with disruptive behaviour in the classroom, it adds up to about 3 years of schooling wasted. There limit to the amount of social work schools can do at the same time as providing education.

Exactly. Honestly if one of my colleagues was walking with a knife I’d think they were away to cut a birthday cake up or something.

I dont disagree at all. Im just pointing out the dilemmas within this problem

It’s so scary 😢 my heart just breaks

However no government (and the public dont seem to want this either) has enforced any mandatory intervention for keeping children occupied during the day so that they dont get the chance to engage with others who are also angry, violent, disaffected, looking for trouble, dysregulated or vulnerable.
Personal responsibility/parental responsibility yet again completely ignored!

If exclusions statistically don’t work, and leaving them in a normal school isn’t possible, why do we not have an option to send them to a boot camp style facility?

Take them out of their homes, put them in a military-style barracks (without weapons obviously) and let them learn to be a young adult properly.

Awake at 6am, a strict regime throughout the day where they study and learn vocational skills as well as learn discipline and respect for others. No phones, games consoles etc.

Limited contact with home. Harsh punishment for the ones who think they don’t need to do it.

Instil some genuine self-confidence and self-worth and give them a chance to turn their life around before they end up in prison.

Let them stay there until they can be trusted to come back. Maybe they’ll come back with skills that can get them into further education or employment.

I think they’d go as cocky little boys and return as men.

No criminal record, just a chance to sort their lives out.

Exactly. Honestly if one of my colleagues was walking with a knife I’d think they were away to cut a birthday cake up or something.

Just reading this makes me feel ill. Adults do feel comparatively safer at work. We would think that if our colleagues pretty much

And yet as adults we're failing children getting the same levels of safety