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GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

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TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 27/01/2025 21:40

I couldn’t see another thread on this but if there is, let me know.

AIBU to be absolutely outraged about the report on the liberation of Auschwitz of GMB without one mention of the fact they were Jewish people who were killed?

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

What the hell is going on in this country where we can’t even speak of the victims of the greatest atrocity ever taken place in this world?

Jews they were Jews.

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SoapySponge · 28/01/2025 10:48

No, they were people. Jews, Romanies, Homosexuals, German political prisoners, people with mental health issues, some British POWs (in Ravensbruck) and even a small group of Norwegian schoolteachers who gave out anti-Nazi material.

The inmates of the death camps were not exclusively Jews.

They were "people".

Newrumpus · 28/01/2025 10:51

But the purpose of the holocaust was the elimination of the Jewish race.

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 10:54

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 01:10

If you had been a Palestinian living in Palestine this last 12 months I'd suspect your opinion would be different.

Break it down to basics. One group who have tripled in size in the past 70 ish years want to push another group who have been there centuries out of the area and claim it as their own. Can we think of any recent occurances that sound similar?

And wipe them out in order to do it! 😡

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 11:01

TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 28/01/2025 09:08

He’s not a nazi for goodness sake. He made a stupid bloody hand gesture when he was a bit excited.

Oh FFS!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/01/2025 11:02

I'd suggest the reporter was correct in saying 'people', so as not to offend one group by leaving them out

They might have been, @ARealitycheck, except that as a PP mentioned the fuller quote said "6 million people were killed in concentration camps in the second world war as well as millions of others because they were Polish, disabled, gay or belonged to another ethnic group"

So in other words some preferred groups were named and Jews weren't - the sad point being that I'm not even surprised

ssd · 28/01/2025 11:03

Newrumpus · 28/01/2025 10:48

There are chants about the destruction of Israel on those matches too. It’s a shame because some marchers were no doubt anti-war rather than anti-Jew. The peace message gets lost.

It doesn't get lost. The majority of people could see what the protests were about, namely the destruction of Gaza and murder of its people. Trying to distract from that and insist its about something else is a bit desperate.

Newrumpus · 28/01/2025 11:10

I agree it’s desperate and really hope
it is kept to fringes of the demonstrations. The problem is that the loud hateful chanting is what reported and heard. I don’t live near a protest march route so have seen them first hand.

WestwardHo1 · 28/01/2025 11:11

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This is a thread which is about the erasure of the word "Jew" and "Jewish" from Holocaust Memorial Day, by a national broadcaster and an MP.

Think on this.

ssd · 28/01/2025 11:12

SharonEllis · 28/01/2025 09:45

But the nazis didn't put any people in the concentration camps. They went to extraordinary lengths to identify and document Jews, having persecuted and restricted their rights for many years & they were very clear about why they were doing it. its not just a question of man's inhumantity to man in a generalised sense. I would be interested to know why those liberating the camps were unaware of the specificity of the intention to destroy the Jewish people. Im sure what they saw must have haunted them all their lives.

I am guessing the liberators were unaware of what was happening in the camps as the nazis kept it all controlled and hidden. Dhs dad was amongst the British army who first went in as liberators. He said they had no idea about the horrors that that they seen. He said they could smell the camp from 5 miles away and had no idea what the smell was.
He never mentioned religions either talking about it, just seen human beings brutalised or dead. He still cried about it just before dying in his 80s. He was 22 then.

ummymummy · 28/01/2025 11:14

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WestwardHo1 · 28/01/2025 11:14

SoapySponge · 28/01/2025 10:48

No, they were people. Jews, Romanies, Homosexuals, German political prisoners, people with mental health issues, some British POWs (in Ravensbruck) and even a small group of Norwegian schoolteachers who gave out anti-Nazi material.

The inmates of the death camps were not exclusively Jews.

They were "people".

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And have you missed the bit which showed they mentioned those other groups by name? But they missed out the Jews? On Holocaust Memorial Day?

I can't actually believe I'm reading some of this.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 11:14

WestwardHo1 · 28/01/2025 11:11

This is a thread which is about the erasure of the word "Jew" and "Jewish" from Holocaust Memorial Day, by a national broadcaster and an MP.

Think on this.

Correct and this should certainly not be the case.

It doesn’t however mean that someone on this thread can’t be called out for talking nonsense.

HonorHaymaker · 28/01/2025 11:21

I'm also astounded by pps trying to justify and defend on here. @WestwardHo1 I thought that documentary was extraordinary. So moving and unbelievable that the musicians could create such beauty out of the horror. It was so moving. The lullaby that was sung to the children in the gas chamber had me in floods.

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 11:25

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Nothing antisemitic about "tell the chosen people to go back to where they came from"? Fucking hell.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 28/01/2025 11:28

That’s terrible!

Ive noticed the way most of the media seems to have got a balance between acknowledging that majority of people murdered we’re Jewish - and murdered for that reason - and also commemorating the other groups who were also murdered, such as Roma, gay people etc

Alondra · 28/01/2025 11:32

11 million people died during the Holocaust - 6 million Jews and 5 million non Jews. That 5 million comprise Russian, Polish nationals, gypsies, disabled and other groups the Nazis hated because of race, faith, ideology or disability.

One of the biggest nazi's extermination against a civilian population was against the Russians. They detested them - what they did against them was beyond horrific But (this is where politics come into play), Israel don't recognise them as victims of the Holocaust. Even if the Nazis hated Russians as much as the Jews, their atrocities against them have been whitewashed by their own political interests.

Knowing what we do today, it's more than reasonable to talk about ALL the millions that died in the Holocaust.

WestwardHo1 · 28/01/2025 11:39

HonorHaymaker · 28/01/2025 11:21

I'm also astounded by pps trying to justify and defend on here. @WestwardHo1 I thought that documentary was extraordinary. So moving and unbelievable that the musicians could create such beauty out of the horror. It was so moving. The lullaby that was sung to the children in the gas chamber had me in floods.

I haven't been able to stop thinking about her. I can't get my head around such nobility and courage.

If people haven't heard of Ilse Weber, google her.

She is the person, and Jews like her, that ITV (if it was deliberate) were attempting to erase by leaving them out of the groups listed.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 11:39

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wholettheturnipsburn · 28/01/2025 11:42

@ummymummy Are you seriously comparing the holocaust with gaza?

Wow

ssd · 28/01/2025 11:43

I think some of the elderly Russian people who were in ww2 should have been invited yesterday. Russia played a massive role in crushing Germany. This shouldn't be swept under the carpet as we don't agree with Putin and the war in Ukraine. These are present day politics.

We shouldn't brush aside a whole country. Not everyone supports what their government do.

ssd · 28/01/2025 11:45

@WestwardHo1 , that is out of order, trying to put words in another posters mouth. Vile words at that. You should be ashamed of yourself.

wholettheturnipsburn · 28/01/2025 11:45

Why the fuck does gaza have to be shoehorned into every thread?

There is no comparison between the holocaust, the final solution and the evil of the nazis. A proper genocide. Look up the pre and post holocaust numbers of Jews in Europe

I despair

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 11:47

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Absolutely not. What an astonishingly simplistic thing to say.

No-one deserves a genocide.

WestwardHo1 · 28/01/2025 11:49

I know full well that this is not what you meant. However if that comment is deleted, fair enough so be it.

However I can't fathom why you would be on THIS thread at THIS moment in time defending the lack of mention of Jews and Jewish people by ITV with persistent references to the Gaza situation.

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