GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

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I couldn’t see another thread on this but if there is, let me know.

AIBU to be absolutely outraged about the report on the liberation of Auschwitz of GMB without one mention of the fact they were Jewish people who were killed?

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

What the hell is going on in this country where we can’t even speak of the victims of the greatest atrocity ever taken place in this world?

Jews they were Jews.

There was an apology, @Garlicnorth posted it earlier, read back up the thread.

Why is Israel having a Jewish majority such a problem?

Of course it is. Its when you link them or think that there is some sort of equivalence that you need to question you motivation.

Of course people link them. Reading what happened during the holocaust and how horrifically the Jewish people were treated, then seeing how the Palestinians have been driven out of their homes and bombed and murdered, its hard not to see echo's of a past that we all had hoped never to see again. Of course what has happened in Gaza isn't equivalent at all to the horrors of the holocaust, but denying any comparison doesn't feel realistic.

So tell us what aspects they have in common?

Even if you think what's happening in Gaza is wrong, it doesn't actually have many similarities or any at all to the holocaust?

Do you compare the holocaust to any other modern day events? Or just Gaza?

I've been hearing variations on this false equivalence, since the late 90s at least, so it's not just about the current situation in Gaza.

Why of course? Anyway, please can you explain the similarities - I mean specifics, not generalised comments about the horrors shared by all wars.

If anyone has not yet watched it 'The Last Musician of Auschwitz' is well worth a watch. So well put together. The sort of thing the BBC, at its best, does very well. ( BBC I Player)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0027g70

The ability to discriminate between one type of thing and another can be a very valuable tool. Even if each type of thing involves death and destruction.

When teaching on the nature and meaning of 'Tragedy' as an English Teacher, I found it a useful exercise to present the students with a sample of newspaper cuttings about a variety of different deaths, in differnt types of circumstance...and asked them to consider which most fitted the definition of 'tragic', and then order them on a scale of 'most to least tragic'......and give explanations as to why.

And why doesn't anyone care about the fact that the only Jews in Gaza nowadays are hostages, despite there being really, really old synagogues in Gaza? Gaza was ethnically cleansed of all Jews and no one cares.

Anyway, glad there has been an apology. I wonder if Rayner has apologised for her omission?

The facts not correct there
2.5 million Jews were killed in the death camps
The other 3.5 million were killed in ghettos, executed elsewhere etc.
Thats where the figure of 6million comes from.

No you are incorrect. The pp said 'in the death camps and by the Nazis' so they are absolutely right.

If you are going to insist on this pedantry you could at least get your facts right, https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

I’m keen on facts and the truth in everything.
No point in posting stuff that’s clearly inaccurate.

Whats the point of threads filled with that.

If people aren’t interested I guess they’ll scroll on by.
I can’t believe I’m having to justify the relevance of facts ! Moving on …

But @ssd there is no comparison

Absolutely none

Nope, I said in the death camps and by the Nazis, which is quite correct.

Yes, me too, that's why I said in the death camps and by the Nazis, which was correct.

She also got it wrong. I specifically said in the death camps and by the Nazis to allow for the fact that they weren't all slaughtered in the death camps.

I was correct.

It would help if you would actually read what was being posted and then stop with your incorrect 'corrections'.

People desperate to pick apart my above post might think there isn't any comparison at all are welcome to their opinion. I can see a comparison where thousands of people are displaced and brutalised, told to move and become homeless, mudered by starvation, lack of any medical facilities, treated as dirt because of their religion, being made to feel inhuman.
I did say "what has happened in Gaza isn't equivalent at all to the horrors of the holocaust " , obviously the murder of 6 million people doesn't compare with anything in recent history but to me denying there is no comparison at all isn't true.

That's my opinion, if you don't share it, that's up to you.

But this doesn't come under a heading of shrugging that this is a matter of opinion. Sorry, but you just cant get away with that, particularly when the war in Gaza is being used as a vehicle for prejudice now. All the things you drscribe are the horrific consequences of many wars.The Holocaust was all those things but so much more. It was a deliberate, strategic, planned attempt to exterminate a whole people, openly planned and justified. The whole german state was geared towards this outcome. There is no significant comparison.

Antisemites compare Gaza to the Holocaust deliberately to upset Jews and they have been doing since well before this invasion. It's probably best avoided as a comparison 1) to avoid suspicion of antisemitism and 2) because it's not a good comparison.

I can see a comparison where thousands of people are displaced and brutalised, told to move and become homeless, mudered by starvation, lack of any medical facilities, treated as dirt because of their religion, being made to feel inhuman

The conflict began after Hamas carried out the October 7th attacks. Can you tell us what the equivalent trigger of the holocaust was?

Displacement? Yes.. this is a war/conflict. Displacement occurs in most wars....like Ukraine, Sudan, etc.

As for starvation....this has been going on for over a year....there wouldn't be a single person left in Gaza if no food had got in. Much of the aid has been stolen by Hamas.

These comparisons you've made are incredibly vague.

It's like saying, some people were mean to other people

Indeed, my immediate assumption when anyone whatabouts Gaza when the Holocaust comes up is that they just hate Jewish people. If that's not the case they need to know that pretty much everyone who doesn't hate Jewish people also makes the assumption that they are hateful anti semites.

I agree. There are a fair number of posters who could be seen that way here. And no, I don't need to name them, before anyone jumps down my throat.