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GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

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TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 27/01/2025 21:40

I couldn’t see another thread on this but if there is, let me know.

AIBU to be absolutely outraged about the report on the liberation of Auschwitz of GMB without one mention of the fact they were Jewish people who were killed?

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

What the hell is going on in this country where we can’t even speak of the victims of the greatest atrocity ever taken place in this world?

Jews they were Jews.

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https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

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noblegiraffe · 28/01/2025 09:17

Given Elon Musk just gave a speech to the neo-Nazi connected AfD party in Germany telling them they should get over the guilt of the Holocaust and move on, I’m not sure how much benefit of the doubt he should be given.

DandyWasp · 28/01/2025 09:20

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Thisandthatandthensome · 28/01/2025 09:25

SabreIsMyFave · 27/01/2025 22:36

100% agree this is fucking outrageous.

But ya know what, I am not surprised this is happening. The persecution of Jews is just never ending isn't it? 🙄

It's really upsetting. 😢

Yes, these people were JEWS. 6 million JEWS died. 😢

This.

Appalling. Has an apology been issued yet for the 'omission' of the word Jewish?

TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 28/01/2025 09:28

noblegiraffe · 28/01/2025 09:17

Given Elon Musk just gave a speech to the neo-Nazi connected AfD party in Germany telling them they should get over the guilt of the Holocaust and move on, I’m not sure how much benefit of the doubt he should be given.

Oh really? I don’t know that.

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TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 28/01/2025 09:29

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Anyway this thread isn’t about Elon Musk, nice try at derailment though.

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YourAzureEagle · 28/01/2025 09:37

My grandad was with the British forces liberating Bergen-Belsen, I remember talking to him about it, and religion didn't factor into it at the time of liberation - he, as a Catholic didn't think of those he helped liberate as Jewish (they weren't all Jews, nor were those at Auschwitz) but as people, human beings, what sat with him and his comrades was mans dreadful ability to do such things to other men, women and children, who had done no wrong to them.

They had a job to do, to take over the running of the camp, they didn't close these camps immediately and chuck everyone out, the allies took over running them and taking care of the inmates, getting them strengthened up and arranging for them to leave in an orderly and safe fashion.

PotaytoPotahhto · 28/01/2025 09:37

TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 28/01/2025 09:08

He’s not a nazi for goodness sake. He made a stupid bloody hand gesture when he was a bit excited.

Oh gosh, the irony of posting something like this on a thread that you started…

SharonEllis · 28/01/2025 09:45

YourAzureEagle · 28/01/2025 09:37

My grandad was with the British forces liberating Bergen-Belsen, I remember talking to him about it, and religion didn't factor into it at the time of liberation - he, as a Catholic didn't think of those he helped liberate as Jewish (they weren't all Jews, nor were those at Auschwitz) but as people, human beings, what sat with him and his comrades was mans dreadful ability to do such things to other men, women and children, who had done no wrong to them.

They had a job to do, to take over the running of the camp, they didn't close these camps immediately and chuck everyone out, the allies took over running them and taking care of the inmates, getting them strengthened up and arranging for them to leave in an orderly and safe fashion.

But the nazis didn't put any people in the concentration camps. They went to extraordinary lengths to identify and document Jews, having persecuted and restricted their rights for many years & they were very clear about why they were doing it. its not just a question of man's inhumantity to man in a generalised sense. I would be interested to know why those liberating the camps were unaware of the specificity of the intention to destroy the Jewish people. Im sure what they saw must have haunted them all their lives.

DandyWasp · 28/01/2025 09:46

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WorriedMutha · 28/01/2025 09:46

YANBU. I'm shocked at the level of whataboutery going on here to justify the piece. I'm not on X so am wondering if ITV have issued a correction or apology. The sentence is nonsense in that it says in effect people and other groups such as gays etc. They're all people. They might be an alternative to Jews but they are not an alternative to people.
I watched the BBC coverage last night and it was very moving. I visited Auschwitz last year and I would highly recommend it to all those who bizarrely think you are being unreasonable.

WestwardHo1 · 28/01/2025 09:49

What the hell am I reading? A national broadcaster reports on Holocaust Memorial Day without mentioning the word "Jew" until two minutes in, and people are defending it? An MP tweets on Holocaust Memorial Day and fails to mention the word "Jew", and people are defending it? What the hell is going on here?

If it's any comfort OP, the BBC's coverage was absolutely excellent. And I urge everyone on here to watch The Last Musician of Auschwitz, which was shown on BBC2 last night. It is devastating.

At the end of it, once commentator pointed out something which has occurred to me at times - that Jews don't just mourn the inhumanity and the murder. They mourn the almost successful erasure of 1000 years of history and European culture - music, learning, dancing, language, cuisine, family...the list goes on. 3 million Jews lived in Poland for example in 1939. Now there are 10,000. The population of a small town.

And I agree about the Royal Family yesterday. They did us proud, unlike ITV.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 09:50

LondonLawyer · 28/01/2025 01:59

The population of Gaza was about 250,000 in 1950 and is now over 2 million, so it hasn't tripled in the past 70 years, it is 8 times higher!

I thought she was referring to the Israeli’s tripling in size. There are apparently 12 x as many Israeli’s as there were since 1948.

Halbiiamz · 28/01/2025 09:50

zzplex · 28/01/2025 01:20

What happened at the hands of Hitler was beyond anything else in history, and certainly not comparable in any way to what has happened to the Palestinians.

The problem with that sentiment is that, if the Holocaust was so uniquely abhorrent in human history, then there is no "lesson to learn" from it because it's unlikely to happen again.

I'll attempt to paraphrase a comment I heard today which was attributed to a survivor of Auschwitz: the lesson to learn about the Holocaust isn't about concentration camps, it's about being vigilant when people start targeting other groups, because it can escalate.

In other words it's the early days of Nazi anti-Semitism we should be learning from, and be vigilant in today's world.

Exactly. But we are not doing that. We are allowing these horrific hate filled "pro-palestine" matches in our cities each week where cowardly people with their faces covered chant anti-Semitic phrases and wave terrorist flags and nothing seems to be done. We let hate camps be set up in university campuses making Jewish students unable to attend their classes. Even on this thread about the Jewish people being omitted from the holocaust we have people popping up with " but Palestine" which is not even nearly any sort of genocide but a war started by Gaza's government after the most horrific murder of Jewish people since the Holocaust. Never again is now and we must all speak up.

YourAzureEagle · 28/01/2025 09:51

SharonEllis · 28/01/2025 09:45

But the nazis didn't put any people in the concentration camps. They went to extraordinary lengths to identify and document Jews, having persecuted and restricted their rights for many years & they were very clear about why they were doing it. its not just a question of man's inhumantity to man in a generalised sense. I would be interested to know why those liberating the camps were unaware of the specificity of the intention to destroy the Jewish people. Im sure what they saw must have haunted them all their lives.

They also sought out the mentally disabled, homosexuals and those who disagreed with them, which in no ways belittles the fact that the Jews made up the majority of those incarcerated and murdered, particularly towards the end of the war.

I don't think it was widely known amongst the man on the street or our forces exactly what lengths they had gone to, shock was described by both Soviet and US/UK forces on the ground at what they found when they got there, grandad said they were expecting to find something like a POW camp, not hell on earth, the upper echelons probably knew, but not the 18 year old privates.

I think mans inhumanity to man is important, the banality of evil, and the casual way normally good people do evil things if authority says it's OK. Peter Malkin, the Mossad agent who oversaw the capture of Eichmann says in his book how Eichmann was not the Devil as he expected, but a boring, monotone, bespecticaled accountant type - and yet he oversaw the most dreadful atrocities, and normal people, who without a war might never have committed even a traffic offence, carried out those crimes without conscience because they were state sanctioned and OK.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 10:00

Halbiiamz · 28/01/2025 09:50

Exactly. But we are not doing that. We are allowing these horrific hate filled "pro-palestine" matches in our cities each week where cowardly people with their faces covered chant anti-Semitic phrases and wave terrorist flags and nothing seems to be done. We let hate camps be set up in university campuses making Jewish students unable to attend their classes. Even on this thread about the Jewish people being omitted from the holocaust we have people popping up with " but Palestine" which is not even nearly any sort of genocide but a war started by Gaza's government after the most horrific murder of Jewish people since the Holocaust. Never again is now and we must all speak up.

I’m sorry, but what a lot of nonsense. Have you been on these ‘hate filled marches’ that you speak of?

They are people who want peace and for innocent people to stop being blown up.

What a twisted way to view them. You are othering these people and dehumanising them, which is exactly what you shouldn’t do if you want to learn anything from the holocaust.

WestwardHo1 · 28/01/2025 10:04

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 10:00

I’m sorry, but what a lot of nonsense. Have you been on these ‘hate filled marches’ that you speak of?

They are people who want peace and for innocent people to stop being blown up.

What a twisted way to view them. You are othering these people and dehumanising them, which is exactly what you shouldn’t do if you want to learn anything from the holocaust.

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Please stop.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 28/01/2025 10:06

I don't watch itv if I can help it and so won't comment on their broadcast but I thought the BBCs coverage was outstanding. The speech from the lady who was sent to Auschwitz as a child and said how all the children from her village were sent there and afterwards only four remained alive feels like it is etched into my soul right now.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 10:08

WestwardHo1 · 28/01/2025 10:04

Please stop.

Stop calling out twaddle? No.

Halbiiamz · 28/01/2025 10:10

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 10:00

I’m sorry, but what a lot of nonsense. Have you been on these ‘hate filled marches’ that you speak of?

They are people who want peace and for innocent people to stop being blown up.

What a twisted way to view them. You are othering these people and dehumanising them, which is exactly what you shouldn’t do if you want to learn anything from the holocaust.

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I have. I inadvertently got caught up in one and honestly? It was scary. So much hate.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 10:12

Halbiiamz · 28/01/2025 10:10

I have. I inadvertently got caught up in one and honestly? It was scary. So much hate.

You were very unfortunate then because I’ve been on 6 and have never seen anything of the sort.

ssd · 28/01/2025 10:18

It feels very much like people are choosing to see hate and aggression where there is very little, maybe to justify their own bigotry.

SharonEllis · 28/01/2025 10:30

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 10:12

You were very unfortunate then because I’ve been on 6 and have never seen anything of the sort.

This was the first weekend of the ceasefire agreement. How do you interpret these as anything other than hateful?

GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)
GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)
GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)
Aftergloww · 28/01/2025 10:40

TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 28/01/2025 09:08

He’s not a nazi for goodness sake. He made a stupid bloody hand gesture when he was a bit excited.

He’s a white supremacist and he’s not even ashamed of it lol are you here just to rile people up, or..?

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 10:43

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Newrumpus · 28/01/2025 10:48

There are chants about the destruction of Israel on those matches too. It’s a shame because some marchers were no doubt anti-war rather than anti-Jew. The peace message gets lost.

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