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TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 2025-01-27T21:40:40+00:00

I couldn’t see another thread on this but if there is, let me know. AIBU to be absolutely outraged about the report on the liberation of Auschwitz of GMB without one mention of the fact they were Jewish people who were killed? [[https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358 https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358]] What the hell is going on in this country where we can’t even speak of the victims of the greatest atrocity ever taken place in this world? Jews they were Jews.

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 23:19

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StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 23:21

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 22:52

I am always continually astounded by the apologists of either side that try to claim absolution to defend crimes of terrorism. The behaviour of those that carried out the attack on the music festival was the act of cowardy scum.

The response by Israel at state level to bomb the shit out of innocent people claiming they were human shields, The starvation and removal of sanitation from innocent people especially women and children, Blocking escape routes as well as denying medical help. This all mounts up to a stain on human existence and is something that we should all condemn.

Yours has to be the most sensible post on the thread. Well said.

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:22

Ah OK I'll humour you..

Those liberated from the camps likely have an insigh none ouf us wish to imagine into the brutality they received. As such they wouldn't want it visited on another human.

Those that do try and defend the actions of either side of terrorist activity, Be it Hamas or Israeli government, do need to have a word with themselves. Most decent human beings can recognise the difference between an act of war on soldiers and targetting innocent civilians.

The playground analogy of 'well he started it' is just that, childish in the terms of those that are suffering the repercusions.

But I suspect you did actually know that.

wholettheturnipsburn · 28/01/2025 23:24

@StrikeForever I don't get your point

This is a thread about the holocaust.

Nothing to do with gaza

Humdingerydoo · 28/01/2025 23:24

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 23:21

Yours has to be the most sensible post on the thread. Well said.

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Surely the posts regarding Jews not being mentioned during a segment about the Holocaust on Holocaust Memorial Day are more sensible as that's the actual topic at hand?

Oodiks · 28/01/2025 23:25

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 23:21

Yours has to be the most sensible post on the thread. Well said.

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This is a thread about remembrance of the holocaust at Auschwitz not mentioning Jews. Did you see the footage that came out of that place of evil? The starvation, the piles of shoes and glasses, the haunted faces of the remaining survivors?

And you think that's what Israel is perpetrating in Gaza? Have you no shame?

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:32

Oodiks · 28/01/2025 23:25

This is a thread about remembrance of the holocaust at Auschwitz not mentioning Jews. Did you see the footage that came out of that place of evil? The starvation, the piles of shoes and glasses, the haunted faces of the remaining survivors?

And you think that's what Israel is perpetrating in Gaza? Have you no shame?

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You really need to educate yourself as to what the day actually is. It isn't just about just Auschwitz. It is about the attempted genocide of a number of groups of people along with those that spoke out against Nazi behaviour.

DinosaurMunch · 28/01/2025 23:32

Whydoeseveryonewanttoargue · 28/01/2025 08:04

Such a powerful point. I heard another interview with a holocaust survivor that was sent to a camp when asked about how everyone could let this happen (ordinary Germans of the day). He said (in large part) because it’s the normalisation of small things. It’s like boiling a frog. They grow over time and that in his view until Kristall Nacht (apologies for spelling if wrong) it was just a series of ‘small’ things that happened and didn’t seem so bad in isolation, Being vigilant to recognise these things and anticipate where they might go is so important.

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Not sure I fully agree. The only reason the small things were tolerated is because of the antisemitism that was normalised in society so lots of people thought the anti Jewish laws were great. I mean who thinks that making Jews wear a star or not be allowed to partake in normal society is a small thing?

Anyway it was only gradual in Germany. In other countries like Austria, Poland, Hungary the Jews were methodically rounded up and exterminated with no lead in and this was sadly welcomed by a large proportion of the non Jewish people there.

Hitler wanted to kill them all but no other country actually wanted to save them enough to allow them to seek asylum there. If other countries (UK, USA for e.g ) had allowed Jewish refugees to escape Germany and go there, most of them would probably have survived.

DinosaurMunch · 28/01/2025 23:38

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:01

If you wish to go back through the thread and my responses, it will be clear.

But to clarify slightly, the liberation of auschwitz or to give it it's proper name 'international holocaust rememberance day' is used by all of those that suffered under a bunch of evil nutter scum (Nazis).

As has been pointed out numerous times, even former Jewish POW's have said we must use what happened there to watch out for it being repeated. That doesn't mean just to Jews but to the whole of humanity.

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They weren't POWs. Hope that was ignorance and not deliberate.

Humdingerydoo · 28/01/2025 23:39

Anyway it was only gradual in Germany. In other countries like Austria, Poland, Hungary the Jews were methodically rounded up and exterminated with no lead in and this was sadly welcomed by a large proportion of the non Jewish people there.

My Polish Jewish relative (sole survivor from her family as far as we are aware) always said she could forgive the Germans - they were following orders, doing as they were told. She could, however, never forgive the Polish as they joined in by choice.

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:42

DinosaurMunch · 28/01/2025 23:32

Not sure I fully agree. The only reason the small things were tolerated is because of the antisemitism that was normalised in society so lots of people thought the anti Jewish laws were great. I mean who thinks that making Jews wear a star or not be allowed to partake in normal society is a small thing?

Anyway it was only gradual in Germany. In other countries like Austria, Poland, Hungary the Jews were methodically rounded up and exterminated with no lead in and this was sadly welcomed by a large proportion of the non Jewish people there.

Hitler wanted to kill them all but no other country actually wanted to save them enough to allow them to seek asylum there. If other countries (UK, USA for e.g ) had allowed Jewish refugees to escape Germany and go there, most of them would probably have survived.

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The post you quote is well thought out imo.

We must be very aware of that drip of 'X' is bad no matter your own views. It is unfair to lay what happened to Jews in the door any Country. The majority of the population were scraping an existence during a time of war. It is easy sitting in your armchair tonight and say, Whichever Countries should have taken these poor people in. And ideally you are correct. But at a time when food and other resources were scarce and not reliable, you should be able to understand why it didn't happen.
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ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:44

DinosaurMunch · 28/01/2025 23:38

They weren't POWs. Hope that was ignorance and not deliberate.

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You are correct, that was a poor choice of phrase. Prisoners of a bunch of lunatics might be a better fit.

noblegiraffe · 28/01/2025 23:47

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:22

Ah OK I'll humour you..

Those liberated from the camps likely have an insigh none ouf us wish to imagine into the brutality they received. As such they wouldn't want it visited on another human.

Those that do try and defend the actions of either side of terrorist activity, Be it Hamas or Israeli government, do need to have a word with themselves. Most decent human beings can recognise the difference between an act of war on soldiers and targetting innocent civilians.

The playground analogy of 'well he started it' is just that, childish in the terms of those that are suffering the repercusions.

But I suspect you did actually know that.

correct. I'm still not sure why you said even Jewish survivors think this.
Agree.
I'm not sure why you are discussing, presumably, a massacre and hostage taking in terms of a playground fight.

DinosaurMunch · 28/01/2025 23:52

It was formed by the British who were in charge of Palestine at the time. They had agreed to do it in 1917. Don't think there was much welcoming with open arms either. During the war visas to Palestine were restricted by the British to 12,000 a year. Excess migrants were put in camps in Cyprus. This was due to pressure from the Palestinian leadership who were allied with Hitler in the war. They both hated Jews. That hasn't changed. By the way Palestine has been part of an empire for hundreds of years - it wasn't an independent nation.

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:55

I'm bowing out of this thread as it is beginning to upset me.

Murdering, Abducting, Abusing etc innocent people is wrong,any group carrying that out are scum in my eyes. That doesn't matter where your allegiances lay.

A discussion commemorating previous atrocities with similarites to today is the very time to remind todays generation the connection.

Oodiks · 28/01/2025 23:59

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:42

The post you quote is well thought out imo.

We must be very aware of that drip of 'X' is bad no matter your own views. It is unfair to lay what happened to Jews in the door any Country. The majority of the population were scraping an existence during a time of war. It is easy sitting in your armchair tonight and say, Whichever Countries should have taken these poor people in. And ideally you are correct. But at a time when food and other resources were scarce and not reliable, you should be able to understand why it didn't happen.
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"It is unfair to lay what happened to Jews in the door any Country" - seriously?

DinosaurMunch · 29/01/2025 00:02

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 23:42

The post you quote is well thought out imo.

We must be very aware of that drip of 'X' is bad no matter your own views. It is unfair to lay what happened to Jews in the door any Country. The majority of the population were scraping an existence during a time of war. It is easy sitting in your armchair tonight and say, Whichever Countries should have taken these poor people in. And ideally you are correct. But at a time when food and other resources were scarce and not reliable, you should be able to understand why it didn't happen.
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I fully understand why no one wanted them and it's no different now with asylum seekers. But it's nothing to do with boiling frogs. What happened was horrific, people (influential people in positions of power that is, I am not talking mainly about ordinary working people) knew and did nothing. If it can't be blamed on any country there's no lesson to be learned, is there?

DinosaurMunch · 29/01/2025 00:07

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 18:27

Are you then saying that because of another Countries actions. These now homeless Jewish people had the right to go to Palestine and push the people settled there out their homes by force? Had the right to move the Palestinian farmers off the fertile land on to much less productive. Had the right to control water, power & trade by the Palestinians.

Let me give you a scenario. I live in Clacton and commute to London for work each day. For whatever reason I am thrown out of Clacton. I think to myself, 'y'know a house in central London would do me just right' and decide upon Kensington. You own a nice house in Kensington and I knock your door with gun in hand and tell you and your family to get out.

You complain to the local police and they say, no it is realitychecks friends who are in charge now, so off you go and move to Hackney. Then my mates turn off all the commuter buses and trains to Hackney also and tell you, no you cannot work in Central London no more.

Would you think that was a fair thing to happen?

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It was the British who set up Israel. It wasn't an invasion by Zionists.

It's more like if I invite you round to my house while I have other guests. You would have to try and get along because although you are both there neither of you own the house.

Whydoeseveryonewanttoargue · 29/01/2025 00:31

DinosaurMunch · 29/01/2025 00:02

I fully understand why no one wanted them and it's no different now with asylum seekers. But it's nothing to do with boiling frogs. What happened was horrific, people (influential people in positions of power that is, I am not talking mainly about ordinary working people) knew and did nothing. If it can't be blamed on any country there's no lesson to be learned, is there?

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I get that is your opinion but the dismissal of what I wrote should be restated to say that it was the opinion of a holocaust survivor.

I bow to their experience and opinion having lived through it and don’t dismiss it in any way being their horrific lived experience.

Oodiks · 29/01/2025 00:43

DinosaurMunch · 29/01/2025 00:07

It was the British who set up Israel. It wasn't an invasion by Zionists.

It's more like if I invite you round to my house while I have other guests. You would have to try and get along because although you are both there neither of you own the house.

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How many people know why the British were in a position to do that? What was occurring in the area before the British?

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 29/01/2025 02:36

Oodiks · 29/01/2025 00:43

How many people know why the British were in a position to do that? What was occurring in the area before the British?

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The Balfour declaration has nothing to do with this thread or the Holocaust.

Oodiks · 29/01/2025 04:53

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 29/01/2025 02:36

The Balfour declaration has nothing to do with this thread or the Holocaust.

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But everything else in this sub thread does? Why are you only objecting now?

Comedycook · 29/01/2025 07:38

A discussion commemorating previous atrocities with similarites to today is the very time to remind todays generation the connection

But the holocaust and Gaza have very few similarities... Even if you are appalled by what's happening in Gaza , they are not comparable.

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/01/2025 07:40

Aftergloww · 28/01/2025 20:57

I don’t know why you’re acting like I said it’s the same. I only said the only reason Israel doesn’t wipe out all Palestinians is because they can’t. Given the opportunity, they would. As they’ve been showing 🤷🏻‍♀️

Two wrongs don’t make a right and I’m not on any bandwagon. There’s been plenty of documentation across the years about what goes on in there. Furthermore, criticising the government of Israel isn’t antisemitism no matter how much people try to conflate it. It’s not true that all citizens have the same rights in Israel - hell, take a look at the treatment of Ethiopian Jews.

The fact is none of this would be happening if they hadn’t created Israel in a land where there were people already living. That’s the root of the problem and always will be.

The fact that Sudan, Syria, Mozambique etc have ongoing severe problems doesn’t take away from the horrifying reality of what’s going on in Gaza.

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Don't talk nonsense. If Israel had wanted to commit genocide it would have done, Instead it delivered aid and gave warnings. It was Hamas that was and is willing to sacrifice its people - by stealing the aid, building tunnels under schools and hospitals, and by aiming mis-firing missiles into Israel every day since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.

Hamas uses all of those international donations not to build up a functioning state, but to develop more tunnels and enrich its leaders at the expense of the population.

Genocide is more akin to what Hamas attempted on October the 7th...which is to target civilians just because they are jewish/Israeli; to plunder homes; rape and mutilate women and girls; shoot dead babies and elderly people in their own beds......alll because they are jewish -and because the Hamas charter declares that their aim is the total elimination of Israel and all of the jews living in Israel. ( which is the majority of the world's jews)