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GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

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TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 27/01/2025 21:40

I couldn’t see another thread on this but if there is, let me know.

AIBU to be absolutely outraged about the report on the liberation of Auschwitz of GMB without one mention of the fact they were Jewish people who were killed?

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

What the hell is going on in this country where we can’t even speak of the victims of the greatest atrocity ever taken place in this world?

Jews they were Jews.

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LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 18:13

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 18:09

Some estimates put the deaths of people other than Jews at 6 to 8 million

But as I pointed out up thread the six million Jews were made up ENTIRELY of one ethnicity/religion. The 6 - 8 million were made up of many others including Romany , PoC, homosexuals, disabled people etc.

Newrumpus · 28/01/2025 18:13

@Aftergloww Bibi can’t get away with it just as easily so he has to disguise it under “but terrorism!!”.

please can you explain what you mean. This doesn’t make sense.

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 18:16

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 18:09

Protesting about the unfair treatment of settled Palestinians is not horrific or hate filled. Many Jews themselves have spoken out against it.

But this is not the thread for that discussion. There are more than plenty of those on CITME.

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 18:17

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/01/2025 18:06

I'm seeing a lot of usernames here who regularly post anti-Israel rhetoric on the Conflict in the Middle East section

There always are, @PurpleChrayn
A certain mindset fetishises Gaza, though if you scratch the surface it often happens that their knowledge stretches no further than poor "brown victims" / nasty evil west

It's also why MN isn't always the most thoughtul forum for discussing this topic, but fortunately others are available

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Do tell, how should we describe the 10s of thousands of deaths of civilians, mostly children by Israeli bombs, not to mention 10s of thousands more left with life changing injuries? Membership of the Israeli Government have actually said that Palestinians should be cleared from their land, that other countries should take them, so Jewish settlers can take their land (they already harass, shoot and kill Palestinians to do so). Is objecting to this genocide what you call “fetishising Gaza”?

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 18:18

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LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 18:27

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 18:17

Do tell, how should we describe the 10s of thousands of deaths of civilians, mostly children by Israeli bombs, not to mention 10s of thousands more left with life changing injuries? Membership of the Israeli Government have actually said that Palestinians should be cleared from their land, that other countries should take them, so Jewish settlers can take their land (they already harass, shoot and kill Palestinians to do so). Is objecting to this genocide what you call “fetishising Gaza”?

Please revert to the CITME board not this thread that is specifically about the Holocaust and GMB news anchor omitting the six million Jews in her bulletin yesterday.
Thank you 🙏

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 18:27

LondonLawyer · 28/01/2025 13:54

Yes, there were all those pesky Jews thrown out of Egypt, other Middle Eastern countries, North Africa, etc. Just because they'd been ethnically cleansed out of all those countries. But now, according to you, they are "non settled" in Israel.

Are you then saying that because of another Countries actions. These now homeless Jewish people had the right to go to Palestine and push the people settled there out their homes by force? Had the right to move the Palestinian farmers off the fertile land on to much less productive. Had the right to control water, power & trade by the Palestinians.

Let me give you a scenario. I live in Clacton and commute to London for work each day. For whatever reason I am thrown out of Clacton. I think to myself, 'y'know a house in central London would do me just right' and decide upon Kensington. You own a nice house in Kensington and I knock your door with gun in hand and tell you and your family to get out.

You complain to the local police and they say, no it is realitychecks friends who are in charge now, so off you go and move to Hackney. Then my mates turn off all the commuter buses and trains to Hackney also and tell you, no you cannot work in Central London no more.

Would you think that was a fair thing to happen?

Aftergloww · 28/01/2025 18:27

@Newrumpus I thought it was pretty straightforward?

The only reason the current Israeli government hasn’t wiped out all Palestinians yet is because they simply can’t get away with it and everything needs to be done in a roundabout way. Unless you think what’s been done to Gazans - especially countless children - as retaliation for the Hamas attack is acceptable and a proportional response.

Regardless this isn’t the thread the discussion it, considering it was just a thread about OP splitting hairs about poor wording.

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 18:29

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 18:16

But this is not the thread for that discussion. There are more than plenty of those on CITME.

A thread discussing historical genocide and pointing out the similarities to what is happening in the world today is entirely relevant.

fromthegecko · 28/01/2025 18:35

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 18:13

But as I pointed out up thread the six million Jews were made up ENTIRELY of one ethnicity/religion. The 6 - 8 million were made up of many others including Romany , PoC, homosexuals, disabled people etc.

Yes, the other groups targeted for extermination were much smaller, so naturally formed a much smaller part of the death toll.

The Nazis destroyed all but 3.5M (30-40%) of European Jewry. And they destroyed all but 25% of European Romani, but the numbers were much lower to begin with.

It's terrifying to think how close to success they came in both cases (of course, they could not have permanently wiped out homosexuals and disabled people).

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 18:36

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 18:27

Please revert to the CITME board not this thread that is specifically about the Holocaust and GMB news anchor omitting the six million Jews in her bulletin yesterday.
Thank you 🙏

I take your point, but was responding to a poster who was complaining that some people were “fetishising Gaza”. It’s hard to ignore that kind of comment when so many people world wide are so angry and distressed by what Israel is doing there.

The other posters shouldn’t be posting these provocative comments on this thread.

Newrumpus · 28/01/2025 18:40

Aftergloww · 28/01/2025 18:27

@Newrumpus I thought it was pretty straightforward?

The only reason the current Israeli government hasn’t wiped out all Palestinians yet is because they simply can’t get away with it and everything needs to be done in a roundabout way. Unless you think what’s been done to Gazans - especially countless children - as retaliation for the Hamas attack is acceptable and a proportional response.

Regardless this isn’t the thread the discussion it, considering it was just a thread about OP splitting hairs about poor wording.

Wow! No the wording was nonsensical. Now that you have explained I preferred it when I didn’t understand.

Splitting hairs! Wow.

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 18:42

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 18:27

Are you then saying that because of another Countries actions. These now homeless Jewish people had the right to go to Palestine and push the people settled there out their homes by force? Had the right to move the Palestinian farmers off the fertile land on to much less productive. Had the right to control water, power & trade by the Palestinians.

Let me give you a scenario. I live in Clacton and commute to London for work each day. For whatever reason I am thrown out of Clacton. I think to myself, 'y'know a house in central London would do me just right' and decide upon Kensington. You own a nice house in Kensington and I knock your door with gun in hand and tell you and your family to get out.

You complain to the local police and they say, no it is realitychecks friends who are in charge now, so off you go and move to Hackney. Then my mates turn off all the commuter buses and trains to Hackney also and tell you, no you cannot work in Central London no more.

Would you think that was a fair thing to happen?

Well said!

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 18:43

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 18:29

A thread discussing historical genocide and pointing out the similarities to what is happening in the world today is entirely relevant.

No it isn't. The current state of play in the Middle East bears no similarity to the six years during which the Holocaust took place exterminating six million Jews and millions of other so-called undesirables (in Hitler's eyes)
There are no extermination camps now while there were 15000 in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s, many of them small localised ones, not just the larger extermination camps like Auschwitz.

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 19:00

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twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 19:02

Telling a particular ethnic group to go back to where they came from is racist under any circumstances, end of. Walking through the middle of a city where members of that group will likely see it is deliberately intimidating.

Deciding to come on a thread about the Holocaust on HMD to defend it is truly disgusting and frankly I don't know why @mnhq are fine with it.

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 19:12

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Suggest you look at Nazi extermination camps before making a remark like this. Even better, perhaps go visit Auschwitz. Even the King knows what an extermination camp looks like rather than a war zone wasteland which sadly is what Gaza is.

AGovernmentOfLawsNotOfMen · 28/01/2025 19:15

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 18:09

Some estimates put the deaths of people other than Jews at 6 to 8 million

Some estimates here on The Holocaust website.
posted some others earlier more specific to Auschwitz with more specific reference to the wider Auschwitz population.

tap article to read to the end

GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)
SharonEllis · 28/01/2025 19:19

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Utterly disgusting post.

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 19:21

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StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 19:23

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SharonEllis · 28/01/2025 19:26

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Have you no shame. The camps were systematic, industrial death factories built to exterminate the Jewish people. There is absolutely no equivalence with a war started by Hamas. This is Holocaust inversion and is antisemitic.

Jaxhog · 28/01/2025 19:28

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 18:17

Do tell, how should we describe the 10s of thousands of deaths of civilians, mostly children by Israeli bombs, not to mention 10s of thousands more left with life changing injuries? Membership of the Israeli Government have actually said that Palestinians should be cleared from their land, that other countries should take them, so Jewish settlers can take their land (they already harass, shoot and kill Palestinians to do so). Is objecting to this genocide what you call “fetishising Gaza”?

The death of civilians is always horrible. But lets not forget that 6 MILLION JEWS died during the holocaust - a very different figure.

SharonEllis · 28/01/2025 19:29

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My opinion on the war in gaza is not relevant to a discussion about the Holocaust.

Jaxhog · 28/01/2025 19:30

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Are you equally horrified by the deaths of hundreds of children at a pop concert, and the kidnapping of over a thousand Israeli citizens? In ONE DAY?