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GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

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TheRewritingOfHistoryBegins · 27/01/2025 21:40

I couldn’t see another thread on this but if there is, let me know.

AIBU to be absolutely outraged about the report on the liberation of Auschwitz of GMB without one mention of the fact they were Jewish people who were killed?

https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

What the hell is going on in this country where we can’t even speak of the victims of the greatest atrocity ever taken place in this world?

Jews they were Jews.

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https://x.com/antisemitism/status/1883921202416345358

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Shortshriftandlethal · 28/01/2025 16:40

AlisonDonut · 27/01/2025 22:18

Who liberated Auschwitz? The people not invited to the ceremony today that's who.

It is so utterly disgraceful that history is being completely rewritten and the people involved erased from the story.

I agree that a Russian representative should have been there.

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/01/2025 16:45

zzplex · 27/01/2025 23:19

But "6 million Jewish people were killed in concentration camps in the second world war" isn't factually correct, is it?

6 million is the total number of Jewish people who died as a result of Nazi actions or who were directly killed by them. Or am I misreading the statistics?

Saying they all died in concentration camps is a gross oversimplification. It doesn't acknowledge that deaths also occurred in ghettos, mobile gas units, shootings in mass graves etc.

There were concentration camps for the Nazis political opponents too.....but the point about Aushwitz -Birkenau was that it was an industrial scale death camp - created specifically in order to speed up the process by bringing in Jews, in railway cars, from around Europe - directly to the gas chambers.

Boomer55 · 28/01/2025 16:50

German concentration camps killed 11 million people, of whom 6 million were Jews. Other people were involved, 😔

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/01/2025 16:51

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 00:12

Because the victims were not all Jews. What happened to them at the hands of the Nazi was awful, but the same was done to the Disabled, people who opposed the Nazi regimen, Roma People, Poles, Serbs, Jehovahs Witnesses, Freemasons, Homosexuals and several other groups. In most reports on the Holocaust, only Jews are mentioned.

The whole 'final solution' was predicated on the extermination of the Jews of Europe. Raging anti-semitism was the very core and modus operandi of Nazism. But Yes, other 'undesirables' and opponents were killed too; but Hitler imagined tha it was the Jews who were responbsible for all of Germany's woes. He thought they were responsible for everything bad that was happening in Germany. Everything was a Jewish plot.

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/01/2025 16:54

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No it is not. You clearly do not know your history.

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/01/2025 17:04

Boomer55 · 28/01/2025 16:50

German concentration camps killed 11 million people, of whom 6 million were Jews. Other people were involved, 😔

Yes, but the point about Nazism was its inherent anti semitism. It was totally paranoiac. The Jews were poisoning the blood of Germany; they were at once responsible for Communism, but also responbsible for Capitalism. Anti Semitism was an inherent pillar and principle of Nazism. The Jews were at the root of all that was bad and of the decline and losss of confidence in Germany that occured as a result of World War 1.

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 17:06

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/01/2025 16:51

The whole 'final solution' was predicated on the extermination of the Jews of Europe. Raging anti-semitism was the very core and modus operandi of Nazism. But Yes, other 'undesirables' and opponents were killed too; but Hitler imagined tha it was the Jews who were responbsible for all of Germany's woes. He thought they were responsible for everything bad that was happening in Germany. Everything was a Jewish plot.

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There are people around today who still believe everything is a Jewish plot 🙄

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/01/2025 17:07

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 17:06

There are people around today who still believe everything is a Jewish plot 🙄

Yes, they absolutely do.... at least the right wing nutters admit to this......the Left wing nutters don't and won't.

JHound · 28/01/2025 17:12

That is really odd. Especially the “6 million people plus other groups”. And then naming the other groups.

It was 6 million Jews. If they want to acknowledge that the Nazis targeted other groups too, that’s fine. But to hide the anti-semitism is odd. It was an awful atrocity and should be highlighted as such.

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:19

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 11:51

Did you read the thread? Perhaps call out the person who derailed it by talking about hate marches?

There were plenty of posts trying to shoehorn in Gaza before that particular post.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 17:31

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:19

There were plenty of posts trying to shoehorn in Gaza before that particular post.

That’s got nowt to do with me.

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:34

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 17:31

That’s got nowt to do with me.

What? You had a go at someone for allegedly derailing the thread when the were far from the first one to bring the topic up.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 17:39

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:34

What? You had a go at someone for allegedly derailing the thread when the were far from the first one to bring the topic up.

But that was the one I had replied to…

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:39

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In the way I describe it? That's literally what the sign says.

If people like you are making excuses for those disgusting antisemitic sign then we really haven't leaned a damn thing in the past eighty years.

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:40

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 17:39

But that was the one I had replied to…

Yeah I know. But the post you were referring to wasn't derailing the thread.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 17:42

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:39

In the way I describe it? That's literally what the sign says.

If people like you are making excuses for those disgusting antisemitic sign then we really haven't leaned a damn thing in the past eighty years.

It’s not me who is ignorant to suffering.

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:45

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 17:42

It’s not me who is ignorant to suffering.

If you actually can't get into your head why some antisemitic cunt marching through a city holding a sign telling a particular ethnic group to go back to where they came from is intimidating amd scary then yeah it is.

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 17:48

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:45

If you actually can't get into your head why some antisemitic cunt marching through a city holding a sign telling a particular ethnic group to go back to where they came from is intimidating amd scary then yeah it is.

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They are literally being occupied…

LetThereBeLove · 28/01/2025 17:58

PurpleChrayn · 28/01/2025 07:07

I'm seeing a lot of usernames here who regularly post anti-Israel rhetoric on the Conflict in the Middle East section.

Interesting.

But unsurprising 😢

twilighttavern · 28/01/2025 17:59

Knittwit · 28/01/2025 17:48

They are literally being occupied…

What's your point?

This is a thread about the Holocaust. Coming on here to defend an antisemitic thread is sick.

Aftergloww · 28/01/2025 18:02

Shortshriftandlethal · 28/01/2025 16:54

No it is not. You clearly do not know your history.

The only reason it’s not repeating itself yet is because Bibi can’t get away with it just as easily so he has to disguise it under “but terrorism!!”.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 28/01/2025 18:05

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No, history is not repeating itself. Israel is not attempting to wipe out all Palestinians and eradicate their culture. The Holocaust was not triggered by Jews launching a terrorist attack on Germany. Hitler was not responding to threats to wipe Germany off the map. How can you not see the differences?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/01/2025 18:06

I'm seeing a lot of usernames here who regularly post anti-Israel rhetoric on the Conflict in the Middle East section

There always are, @PurpleChrayn
A certain mindset fetishises Gaza, though if you scratch the surface it often happens that their knowledge stretches no further than poor "brown victims" / nasty evil west

It's also why MN isn't always the most thoughtul forum for discussing this topic, but fortunately others are available

Typo

StrikeForever · 28/01/2025 18:09

Boomer55 · 28/01/2025 16:50

German concentration camps killed 11 million people, of whom 6 million were Jews. Other people were involved, 😔

Some estimates put the deaths of people other than Jews at 6 to 8 million

ARealitycheck · 28/01/2025 18:09

Halbiiamz · 28/01/2025 09:50

Exactly. But we are not doing that. We are allowing these horrific hate filled "pro-palestine" matches in our cities each week where cowardly people with their faces covered chant anti-Semitic phrases and wave terrorist flags and nothing seems to be done. We let hate camps be set up in university campuses making Jewish students unable to attend their classes. Even on this thread about the Jewish people being omitted from the holocaust we have people popping up with " but Palestine" which is not even nearly any sort of genocide but a war started by Gaza's government after the most horrific murder of Jewish people since the Holocaust. Never again is now and we must all speak up.

Protesting about the unfair treatment of settled Palestinians is not horrific or hate filled. Many Jews themselves have spoken out against it.

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