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To think this shouldn't be said to nursery children

181 replies

Stich2 · 26/01/2025 12:57

If they're crying. 'stop crying, you're fine'?

OP posts:
Mrsdyna · 26/01/2025 18:11

At that age, a child can't regulate its own nervous system, so no it's not appropriate.

The adult seems to have become dysregulated themselves after being triggered by the child but they're old enough that they should control themselves.

The child unfortunately cannot yet regulate themselves.

Busywithsomething · 26/01/2025 18:13

Yep. In general it's a yes from me.

Icanttakethisanymore · 26/01/2025 18:15

Really depends on why they were crying and whether they were actually fine.

Icanttakethisanymore · 26/01/2025 18:18

Sorry, just read your updates. I suspect saying this to an 18mo will have no effect. They’ll stop crying when they are comforted or distracted. If it were me saying this to an 18mo I wouldn’t consider it my finest moment as it’s a display of frustration, not likely to solve the problem.

Mrsdyna · 26/01/2025 18:20

I'd also like to say that crying is a brilliant way to regulate your nervous system and I think it's so sad that society tries to stop people from accessing this gift. There'd be far less trauma and mental illness if we stopped shaming children into being cut off from themselves. They just turn into dysregulated adults.

Abracadabra12345 · 26/01/2025 18:34

@Mrsdyna I think this is great, until all the children in the nursery express themselves by crying at the same time, often because they are distressed by other children crying!

Hell for the adults who can't escape too. But as a theory, it's a good one, in an ideal world

As has been said, context is all - I just wish OP had explained more in her OP, and they still haven't given details

Abracadabra12345 · 26/01/2025 18:36

@Dontlletmedownbruce It's always good to read an insight from someone who actually works in a nursery so is dealing with the day-to-day reality, not a theory it's nice to have. Thank you

NikKai · 26/01/2025 18:39

Mrsdyna · 26/01/2025 18:20

I'd also like to say that crying is a brilliant way to regulate your nervous system and I think it's so sad that society tries to stop people from accessing this gift. There'd be far less trauma and mental illness if we stopped shaming children into being cut off from themselves. They just turn into dysregulated adults.

Edited

Being genuine here, do you think so really? If you respond with love and compassion in the right context, and with a view to resilience which adults also need in other contexts, you think it can cause poor mental health?

I do both for my son. I let him express his feelings and i comfort him. If he is whinging and nothing I try works, then he needs to let it out and I won't stop him, but after a time i will tell him to knock it off now because it's distressing to hear when it's not for a reason and i cant soothe him so i begin to feel dysregulated myself then. Better that i try to teach him some resilience in the face of a lack of true reason to be upset, than let it continue and hes upset for no reason and im dysregulated and would struggle then to parent how I prefer. Which is with love.

Im not advocating shaming children crying. Im advocating teaching a time and place as he grows. After all, your point re shame as adults crying isn't wrong, but equally we can't go round crying daily either. You can't be sat in work and just start crying. I cant parent and cry all day despite serious mental health issues.

Im trying to teach my boy the fine line between the two. Shame and repression of his feelings are not the aim nor the outcome. At least for my son

maudelovesharold · 26/01/2025 18:48

Being told ‘come on, stop crying, you’re fine!’ by a loving parent, who knows their child is just cross or tired, is completely different to nursery staff saying it sharply to a child who might be missing their parents, feeling unwell, anxious about something… If it was said harshly, without any empathy, then I would say it’s not good practice for a childcare setting.

Mrsdyna · 26/01/2025 18:52

NikKai · 26/01/2025 18:39

Being genuine here, do you think so really? If you respond with love and compassion in the right context, and with a view to resilience which adults also need in other contexts, you think it can cause poor mental health?

I do both for my son. I let him express his feelings and i comfort him. If he is whinging and nothing I try works, then he needs to let it out and I won't stop him, but after a time i will tell him to knock it off now because it's distressing to hear when it's not for a reason and i cant soothe him so i begin to feel dysregulated myself then. Better that i try to teach him some resilience in the face of a lack of true reason to be upset, than let it continue and hes upset for no reason and im dysregulated and would struggle then to parent how I prefer. Which is with love.

Im not advocating shaming children crying. Im advocating teaching a time and place as he grows. After all, your point re shame as adults crying isn't wrong, but equally we can't go round crying daily either. You can't be sat in work and just start crying. I cant parent and cry all day despite serious mental health issues.

Im trying to teach my boy the fine line between the two. Shame and repression of his feelings are not the aim nor the outcome. At least for my son

How old is your son? I think it's great that you've admitted to feeling dysregulated yourself around your son, as many would simply deny this.

I'm not trying to be preachy but unfortunately whether we are triggered or not, silencing children isn't actually helping them to regulate.

Outwardly the behaviour might stop and we may feel like we've won, but internally they'll still be dysregulated, just unable to freely express themselves.

In reality it's actually better that they're openly showing you that they're distressed.

Mrsdyna · 26/01/2025 18:54

Abracadabra12345 · 26/01/2025 18:34

@Mrsdyna I think this is great, until all the children in the nursery express themselves by crying at the same time, often because they are distressed by other children crying!

Hell for the adults who can't escape too. But as a theory, it's a good one, in an ideal world

As has been said, context is all - I just wish OP had explained more in her OP, and they still haven't given details

Yes, well frankly this is one of the reasons why I don't support the day care/nursery model.

EmmaOvary · 26/01/2025 18:55

No, it’s shit. If you were upset and crying about it, would you want comfort,’or would you want someone to basically gaslight you about your feelings?

NikKai · 26/01/2025 19:40

Mrsdyna · 26/01/2025 18:52

How old is your son? I think it's great that you've admitted to feeling dysregulated yourself around your son, as many would simply deny this.

I'm not trying to be preachy but unfortunately whether we are triggered or not, silencing children isn't actually helping them to regulate.

Outwardly the behaviour might stop and we may feel like we've won, but internally they'll still be dysregulated, just unable to freely express themselves.

In reality it's actually better that they're openly showing you that they're distressed.

Hes 20 months so to be honest, it doesn't work anyway as he doesn't understand what im saying. But for me, i find it both a quiet expression of rising self dysregulation before i fall into complete dysregulation so it helps me, with the aim of it eventually sinking in anyway.

Yes i do get dysregulated, thank you for your kind comment re that. In actual fact i get dysregulated every single time he cries. If you do an advanced search on me youll see why, but it's too long to explain and not the point of the thread. We've been through more together than most in such a short time. It has helped telling my story on here as its anonymous and has lessened my shame. So i won't deny my feelings good or bad.

The difference is that despite my dysregulated state when he's crying for genuine reasons, i respond with love and patience and always true desire to comfort. But when he is just being whingey and nothing works, he's fed dry clean watered entertained not tired etc, my patience is little for whinging. Perhaps that is down to my own experiences re severe trauma as a child so i struggle to have sympathy when someone is crying for nothing. Even my child. As awful as it sounds.

But i stand by my feeling that he needs to be taught resilience. Especially since he has no male influence to be the yin to my motherly nurture yang.

If he hurts himself i yell WOO like its exciting despite it hurting me inside, because children need to learn to self scan their body for pain and also need to not have an adult panicking which often causes them fear and anxiety. It works extremely well since i began that - he looks at me, sees my reaction, and if he's hurt he will cry and i will comfort. If he isnt he will crack on because im not passing on anxiety reactions to him.

If he's crying properly i will use distraction, his favourite calming techniques, try a snack or drink, or a nap, or a bottle of milk. Nappy etc. If that doesn't work i will be present and aware but after a time i will tell him "baby you are fed dry clean watered entertained and this is unnecessary so knock it off now"

If he's having a tantrum I will keep an eye and be ready for when he's calm and ready for comfort but i ignore the tamtrum as im not teaching him that that behaviour gets him anything positive. I don't shout or react at all. I know my son and if i try to comfort when he's angry he hits out, showing me he needs his space. If it goes on too long i will sternly tell him to knock it off now.

If he's being whingey because he's tired and in bed but doesnt want to sleep, i will tell him to stop it now and go to sleep.

If he hits me i move him away from me with warning "dont you dare, we dont hit in this house" and if he gets impatient and throws a toy at me it gets confiscated. For a day at least. Because it hurts and one day he will be a 6ft man and i need him to learn violence is not ok from the start.

Sometimes i do get dysregulated and i tell him if he's crying for nothing to stop crying.

Its not about winning for me, or thinking it works to "shut him up". Nor to teach him to silence his feelings. It's to teach him that its ok to have feelings and cry when there is a reason, and if no reason then resilience training will help him as an adult to learn feelings and expression of them is great, in the appropriate times. Like i said he can't just sit at work and cry. He will have his feelings hurt, his heart broken and all the upsetting disappointments we all have. And to express these feelings appropriately is great, but it has to be appropriate for his own sake.

Sorry for the essay but I'm hoping to explain that with context, good intentions and his well being in future in mind, its nothing to do with silencing him and i feel strongly that I am acting in each situation in an appropriate manner in order to raise a resilient but emotionally mature adult. It is a fine line.

But my son and i are doing so well how we work together in this way. I have a lot of professionals involved including social services and i have yet to hear, since mental health treatment is now effective, a single bit of criticism. In fact the opposite. They have all separately praised how happy he is, how well his behaviour is, and how well and healthy his attachment to me is.

He does openly express upset. And i act appropriately i feel, in all contexts. And will continue to do so.

Its been interesting hearing your views and gives me something to ponder on and go over with my therapist and professionals to ensure I'm behaving appropriately.

Apologies to all for the essay an derail..
I just feel so strongly about this coming from a childhood where i was silenced, told i am a drama queen and much worse.

Re the nursery comment, with lack of more context from op it's hard to comment

JMSA · 26/01/2025 19:42

Aww, they're only wee. I wouldn't say that to them. Not at first anyway! Grin

Eenameenadeeka · 26/01/2025 19:55

I agree with you OP. I think it's very dismissive and there's much more helpful and kind ways to actually calm and support a child rather than just telling them to stop because you feel annoyed.

Stich2 · 26/01/2025 22:11

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 26/01/2025 18:09

Might want Daddy. Such a exist comment.

It was about my DD and im a single parent, so mummy in my case

OP posts:
JayJayj · 27/01/2025 18:57

No I don’t think it’s ok at all. I never tell my daughter, 2 years 3 months to stop crying. I will tell her it’s OK or she’s OK. Depending on the situation but at that age they cry for a reason, even if that reason is just I’m grumpy.

llizzie · 27/01/2025 19:03

Stich2 · 26/01/2025 12:57

If they're crying. 'stop crying, you're fine'?

What is the alternative?

Beautifulweeds · 27/01/2025 19:13

Most kids cry and as parents we know when it's real or just wailing, as I'm sure the nursery staff do. So saying you're fine and stop is perfectly normal, if they are fine of course. So easy and quick to notice the difference. X

Beautifulweeds · 27/01/2025 19:25

rainbowstardrops · 26/01/2025 13:43

I definitely get what you are saying to a certain extent. But ‘cries and cries for nothing’ isn’t normal for most kids. So clearly something is wrong somewhere for them to feel the need to do that. The cause would almost certainly not be obvious to a peer but as educators or caregivers you have to try to get to the bottom of it. I think your initial response was the right thing to.

I understand what you're saying @LouH1981 but some children do just whine and cry at school because they're used to being the centre of their parent/parents universe and don't always manage well when they have to share/take turns etc.
Honestly, we don't have the time or resources to deep dive into every child's home life and work out why they're more fragile and less resilient than others.
Sometimes, certain children just aren't resilient and cry at every little 'slight' against them

This is true. When the centre of life at home and then in a nursery, primary school there isn't the same time to just concentrate on one child. Staff soon get to learn the difference between a child genuine in need and the ones who will cry over a swapped crayon. They will do their best to appease said child but another in the corner may be having a serious issue which needs attention.

If it was serious and ongoing parents would be contacted and shown video evidence or reports which are done during the day.

heyhopotato · 27/01/2025 19:29

llizzie · 27/01/2025 19:03

What is the alternative?

A distraction, verbal or visual. Even auditory.

It's like saying "cheer up" to an adult, they aren't suddenly going to be happy because you've demanded it.

lou123456789 · 27/01/2025 19:35

It’s not fine, it’s not ok to say in any sense. In the child’s mind they aren’t fine, whatever is wrong is the complete end of the world to them. Their tiny brains can only comprehend so much, so them missing their mum is ‘oh my god my mums gone and she isn’t coming back.’ If I’d heard this said in my workplace I’d bring them up on it

Newmumburnout · 27/01/2025 20:56

I agree it should not be said. Firstly if they are kids that can't speak yet how do you know they are fine. Secondly, young kids are learning how to deal with emotions. They should be comforted and then they will move on easily enough

Toptops · 27/01/2025 22:40

Oh, it's ok!

llizzie · 28/01/2025 01:30

heyhopotato · 27/01/2025 19:29

A distraction, verbal or visual. Even auditory.

It's like saying "cheer up" to an adult, they aren't suddenly going to be happy because you've demanded it.

I meant, what else can you do? The child wants her mother and cries. Quite normal. If you make a fuss the child will think the hurt is more serious. It is amazing what even the smallest children think these days.

You can only tell the child it is nothing to worry about and it will soon be better.

I see nothing wrong in that.

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