Kemi B just suggested about Southport....

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...murders.... that the reason these things happen is because people / immigrants are not being helped to integrate in our society and feel alienated. On Laura K show. Dear lord I'm sorry but that's ludicrous ... if I've misunderstood please help me out. Its really angered me !

@Workisntworking I agree.
Which is why I speficically said around the isolation issue

this is the answer, absolutely
multiple people and agencies recognised there was a problem with this child and did what they could to protect others from him and get him help- none of it succeeded because the services are all at crisis point
it has nothing, nothing to do with the fact that he is black

because that's what is constantly being hinted at

I just cannot understand why people keep going on about boats/immigrants/multiculturalsim when we have known for months now that this was a British child, born and educated here

except that.....he is black....and 'looks evil'....so we can blame it on that then
god help his poor parents and brother

Have a conversation about immigration by all means and link it to an immigration issue

This murder is not an immigration issue. This is shameful and shameless bandwagon jumping and playing into the hands of the far right to make sure too many voters dont jump ship to Farage

Racism, pure and simple. Dont like it? Dont say then.

Ok, you can respond to my comments but back off with the aggression.

@username299 I'm aware that people with personality disorders can be charming but as far as I know, none of the husbands in the Relationship boards have committed mass murder.

No, charming people just commit sexual offences instead.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-12-08/report-profiles-charming-rapists/2366782

If you think that introverted people are a risk to you, then you are sorely mistaken.

She was talking about some immigrants not integrating and having a strong dislike of the UK. She was therefore talking about immigration and linking it to an immigration issue.
We don't actually know whether this is the case for the Southport killer or not.

I do think some people on here have led v sheltered lives and don't seem to have a great deal of real life experience of people from different backgrounds.

Have you never heard of the white devil? I remember being at Uni when a lecturer was discussing this. Some of the white kids in the class couldn't believe it 😂😂😂

I didn't say that introverted people are a risk. Lots of different personality types commit sexual offences.

My post was about individuals who commit mass murder being socially isolated and often misfits.

I'm happy to hear evidence to the contrary regarding individual mass murderers.

It doesn’t matter how much you try and deflect by using individual examples as being unreasonable, the fact is that immigration is out of control. It’s too high and it’s bad for this country.

The country was built on immigration. The economy does better with immigrants.

All those problems you've been told are because of immigration have deep rooted reasons which are nothing to do with immigration.

Where do you see it in a decade or two?

Do we keep increasing the population, in terms of how many is it just continually rising?

What bit is untrue?

Funding for the NHS in real terms increased between 2000-2010 and led to it being ranked the best in the world. Real term funding fell, capital investment funds were limited & poor workforce planning over the next 14 years led to it's current state. A deliberate and calculated choice.

Investment in housing, particularly affordable social housing, was deliberately restricted by government policy. Forcing councils to sell off housing stock and limiting their ability to reinvest the proceeds in new stock has been a disaster for working people.

At the last census, there were over a million uninhabited dwellings in England & Wales.

GDP per head in the UK 25 years ago was $28,762.1, in 2021 it was $46,869.8

So ask yourself where's the money going? All we've done since Thatcher is assist in moving public wealth and assets into private hands, pay for the economic crashes caused by a renegade international banking cartel.

But sure, it's all because of immigration and managers at the nhs.

This!

Exactly. The issue with what Badenoch said was that she was conflating the Southport killings to Immigration. So no matter thst the family were refugees, fleeing genocide, no matter that they had integrated, she was saying that even second and third generation immigrants who had integrated could be accused of not integrating. Including presumably her, Rishi Sunak and many Conservatives. Immigrants not integrating and trying to impose their own forms of culture on people who don't want it is a problem. But it's irrelevant to the Southport case and sounds like what it is. Kemi using a tragedy to shore up her vote in the face of Reform

@MonkeyToHeaven GDP per head in the UK 25 years ago was $28,762.1, in 2021 it was $46,869.8. So ask yourself where's the money going?

This one is simple- it's going into housing costs. House prices have skyrocketed much faster than inflation.

Houses aren't actually supposed to cost £290,000. If house prices had risen in line with inflation since 1970, the average house would only be around £70,000 - £80,000.

Houses would be cheaper if there was less demand and if the supply wasn't constrained.

Thesis = idea. Sorry if that is not a word you would use.

Having worked under several governments, including the Blair one, I would dispute what you say about services. But clearly you are determined that immigration is the cause of all problems, so disengaging now.

@Hotflushesandchilblains that's quite a jump isn't it but if you are interested a quick Google dig will show charities and councils begging for more money because of a huge jump of service users.

Unfortunately I think all governments have failed here which is why it irritated me to lay the blame soley at the door of the tories when this happened way back under Blair.

Of course it’s not immigration that’s the problem, it’s uncontrolled illegal immigration from from the Middle East, North Africa and Asian countries who all follow THAT religion.

(Coming from a woman from the Middle East who has been a victim of the men of that part of the world).

Although you're right about the housing racket, we were talking about the last 25 years and why with GDP per person so much higher, we are seeing real term cuts to public services.

Its absolutely offensive to suggest this family were not fully integrated and trying to live a positive life in the UK and very much seem to have done until their son started acting in an anti social manner. They have another son at university.

I wonder what the ratio between "immigrants who want to integrate" and "UK residents who prevent immigrants from integrating" is ?

I am guessing there are far more people shouting words that would get me banned here than there are people skulking in their homes deliberately not "integrating" whatever that means.

Especially if "integrating" means we're all supposed to act like Kemi Badenoch. Because if it does, I am fucked if I am going to integrate. I'll be the first to be kicked out.

@MonkeyToHeaven Although you're right about the housing racket, we were talking about the last 25 years and why with GDP per person so much higher, we are seeing real term cuts to public services.

I told you, it's because of increased costs like housing. Increased housing costs means people cannot be taxed as much, which means cuts to public services.

If housing was cheaper, then people could be taxed a bit more and public services would be better.

Things like housing costs are the reason why people feel poor despite earning decent salaries.

Rudakubana's parents are exactly the type of asylum seeker we should be offering safe haven to. They were fleeing genocide. They were not economic migrants

His parents arrived in the UK in 2002 - it's a little unclear what they were fleeing from;

Rudakubana had a closer connection to genocide than most other British youths: his father, Alphonse, is thought to have fought with the Rwandan Patriotic Army (RPA), an armed force that battled the Hutu-dominated regime in Rwanda and eventually brought an end to the mass ethnic killings of 1994.
Alphonse, now 49, is reported to have been an RPA officer, possibly relatively senior, based in neighbouring Uganda, where his family are thought to have fled well before the genocide.

@MonkeyToHeaven what people fail to understand is that in certain area of the UK any set funding become redundant because suddenly, millions (we think) of people from eastern Europe took advantage of the workers rights situation.

It's been hashed over and totally exposed so much now.
No one counted people in but services at the ground level were inundated. That's how the country knew something catastrophic had happened. And the whole country was gas lit by Blair then Brown.

• I don't blame the people who came here at all.

• I don't know more about his parents but it seems they tried to do all they could for their son. He was engaged with many services, they had an ehcp (many parents don't want one because they think it may bring shame to the family and stigma). They called the police and they were scared of their son. The other son is physically disabled and has apparently been a model pupil.

They seemed to have tried their best here for the years preceding this.

You've told me, but I'm telling you you're wrong. We're taxed more than we were 25 years ago, not less.

Cutting investment in public services was an ideological decision. Just as selling off our oil, gas, electricity, water, rail, postal service etc

@MonkeyToHeaven I checked Google, and indeed, you are correct. Tax to GDP ratio is the highest it has been for decades.

There are probably a few explanations as to why our tax money isn't going far:

• Greedy senior civil servants taking too much money out of the tax pot for their take home pay.
• More demand for health services due to higher levels of serious illness, caused by people living longer and increased levels of pollution from ugly SUVs.
• Public infrastructure costs more to maintain. We have built more and more roads to accomodate more cars and more ugly SUVs. Contrary to popular belief, roads are not free after they have been built.