Kemi B just suggested about Southport....

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...murders.... that the reason these things happen is because people / immigrants are not being helped to integrate in our society and feel alienated. On Laura K show. Dear lord I'm sorry but that's ludicrous ... if I've misunderstood please help me out. Its really angered me !

He ‘admitted’ carrying a knife ten times. He was expelled from school after being caught once. I have a horrible feeling that knife carrying is extremely common while gun making is still rare.

I can see the connection very clearly. The system, the mental health system, the nhs, doctors surgeries are all under unbearable strain because we have too many people arriving here. Housing is in crisis, social care is in crisis. How much worse do things need to get before people wake up??

We can NOT sustain over a million arrivals a year.

Of course people that live here, were born here - are going to fall through the cracks. If we had the resources we could have used interventions, but as we are being spread so thinly as it is - there was no such life saving intervention.

We do not have limitless resources to do everything, and we are paying a very heavy price in every direction for a lack of control.

His dad's concerns were ignored. I can't believe his room wasn't searched sooner. His family have had to go into hiding. They kept him off school they were that concerned. They would rather be hurt by him than have him hurting other pupils and staff. His dad took him to karate so he wasn't alone in the house. He should have been locked up long before 30th July 2024.

@Noangelbuthavingfun It's no more daft than Keir Starmer's suggestion that the killings were caused by young men being isolated from society in their rooms.

He can fuck off with that one. People not being social doesn't transform them into murderers who indiscriminately attack children.

I beg to differ. There have been several acts of terrorism by incels who don't seem to do much but read misogyny online. They're renowned for being social misfits. From what I've read about mass shooters, they're often bullied and isolated.

I’m not going to get more angry at Kemi than I am at the mass murderer who killed those little girls.

Watch "Bowling for Columbine."

It's not because we have too many people here that we're under resourced. It's because our wealth & resources are increasingly being concentrated in the hands of a minority.

It's a choice made by governments who represent the interests of that minority, who recognise the west is in decline and have decided they'll be fine as long as they can convince everyone else to pay for it.

We need to wake up to the reality that we're a declining country and decide if we want to navigate it together or carry on as we have and let free market zealots plot that course.

The richest 1% in the UK own the same wealth as the poorest 80%, 5 families have more than the poorest 20% of the entire population. That's unsustainable.

You can have differing shades of anger, you know. Ask Farrow and Ball. They aren't mutually exclusive.

If she mattered, I would be angry with St. Kemi for trying to drag a horrific tragedy into grubby party politics and culture wars, rather than trying to be part of the solution.

Rudakubana’s brother appears to be a sociable, academically successful, fully ‘integrated’ young man whose high-brow musical and cultural interests are European in nature. The idea that this family was somehow outside the mainstream seems untrue.

There is a huge lack of integration by a lot of immigrants. But it’s not because society here makes it difficult for them. It doesn’t. But because they don’t want to integrate. They like living in their own communities with their own people, talking their own language. I think the same of the ex pats moving to Spain who just want to live in their own little bubbles, with other ex pats. It’s not the responsibility of society to integrate people. They have to take responsibility to do that themselves.

I don't know about this particular case, but it's blindingly obvious where I live that certain members of ethnic minorities are often poorly integrated into wider society, and sadly this does often lead to antisocial behaviours. Campaigning for better integration is a lot more progressive than arguing we should simply round them all up and send them home, and a lot better for everybody than just ignoring the problem.

The parents called police at least four times, it is all detailed here https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jan/25/axel-rudakubana-from-unassuming-schoolboy-to-notorious-southport-killer

I can't speak of the young man in question as I don't know enough about him or the impact his background had on him. However I live in an area where immigration has caused huge social and cultural issues. Including the grooming gangs scandal. Where the incoming population clearly does not like or respect white British culture.

We are not unique, the effect of immigration communities pushing to change the liberal lifestyle in Holland led to the election of politician Pim Fortuyn. A gay Marxist supporting former university lecturer was labelled as right wing and then assassinated for wanting to protect existing cultural norms.

There's a stacey dooley documentary called my hometown fanatics which really shows some of the issues of unchecked chain migration and the lack of integration of some immigrant communities.

Middle class Mumsnet won't like it at all but Ms Badenoch is completely correct to point out that unchecked immigration is going to cause issues. Though I suspect that this particular case has much more to do with mental health.

Lest we forget, many many people voted for Brexit due to immigration related fears. Out political elite were culpable for that 'collective act of self harm" just as much as those who voted for it. They failed to address immigration issues and it is not surprising that lower socio economic groups voted for Brexit in greater numbers as they are most affected by it.

I'd rather main stream politicians actually woman up and talk about these difficult issues so that the don't become the political football of extremists like Trump and Farage. Fingers crossed that Labour are brave enough to follow her lead so that we can get to a place of open and frank discussion. There's nothing wrong with well managed immigration but we absolutely do not have that here.

The Home Office spent £4.7bn last year on aslyum support, resettlement and accommodation. What could that money have done elsewhere in the country? How much extra CAMHS support could have been had, for example?

FWIW, Rudakubana's parents are exactly the type of asylum seeker we should be offering safe haven to. They were fleeing genocide. They were not economic migrants who paid ££££ for a seat on a dinghy, having thrown away all identifying evidence of themselves. His parents are now in hiding. They sought help and were let down by the authorities. They are not to blame for their son's actions any more than anyone else whose child goes on to murder.

That said, multiculturalism has failed. We should have been stricter in how we allowed people to assimilate. It should have been non negotiable. If you're in England, you abide by English norms. You don't keep trying to bring over whatever customs, cultural and religious preferences you left behind and then demanding special privileges for this, that and the other. (I once had to step over a bloke in the gym who got his prayer mat out between the machines. Just fucking no!)

Badenoch is a band wagon jumping idiot. But unless we get a grip on the numbers coming into the country, both legally and illegally, expect to see Nigel Farage's gurning face standing in front of a lecturn outside No.10 some time during the summer of 2029.

Under funded public services and too many people have led us down a path not many of us willingly chose. Successive governments should hang their heads in shame, both Labour and Tories alike.

The threads on this forum have been mainly quite dignified, insightful, reflective, analytical, informative, factual

Its a parenting forum! And yet someone who was in government cant even achieve the minor modicum of sense to match those discussions. Its a disgrace.

That’s untrue. We do have too many people here. Even in the last 25 years the population has grown from 58m to 69m currently. An extra 11m people, even though birth rates have been in decline. Yet no additional investments in the NHS or housing to accommodate the extra people. Or should I say an attempt has been made to increase investment in NHS, but the upper tiers of the NHS have managed the finances poorly. We should focus on the quality of immigrants, and reduce the quantity.

I think people, the judge, politicians, are trying to present the narrative that his autism had nothing to do with it. I think thats unhelpful and disingenuous . Its very likely that without that disorder his difficulties may have manifest in a different way, or not raised so much risk.

Like @Snorlaxo and (some of) the rest of you, I feel desperately sorry for his parents. Asking for help over and over, likely to have been both afraid of their son and for him.

Something is badly wrong with a society that doesn't support families in this position. Lets hope the enquiry surfaces what happened, what could have been foreseen, and what can be put in place to reduce the chances of it happening again.

The Southport murders and immigration are two entirely separate issues.

I find it very worrying that people are continuously attempting to conflate the two.

@Livelovebehappy Even in the last 25 years the population has grown from 58m to 69m currently.

The official figures have long been disputed. One major supermarket suggested we had around 80 million here in 2007 based on food being consumed.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/city-eye-facts-on-a-plate-our-population-is-at-least-77-million-5328454.html

DID YOU READ THE BIT ABOUT MY MOTHER NOT BEING BORN HERE?

I have not misunderstood anything. I can spot racism a mile off.

Where you are born does not predict your social or political views, and does not make you a murderer. Nor does it make you more or less "integrated". Only an idiot thinks there is such a thing as a defining British-ness that people may or may not measure up to, regardless of where you are born. Am I integrated? Are you? There is no bloody measure of this and only the simple-minded, wherever they are born, could think so.

There is not a shred of evidence that these murders were committed because Axel was born here, or not born here. Attempting to link a truly horrendous crime to the unrelated issue of immigration is hypocritical rubbish. Kemi Badenoch may represent your "Britishness". She does not represent mine.