Kemi B just suggested about Southport....

[Noangelbuthavingfun]

...murders.... that the reason these things happen is because people / immigrants are not being helped to integrate in our society and feel alienated. On Laura K show. Dear lord I'm sorry but that's ludicrous ... if I've misunderstood please help me out. Its really angered me !

He was violent towards his father. I wouldn’t be surprised if his parents were scared of him. His brother is doing well at a very good university despite being disabled. The baying for their blood/calling for their deportation makes me sick.

From what I’ve read he apparently called childline a few years ago to ask for help as he wanted to kill people, it’s shocking that even when he asked for help himself it wasn’t there. His parents asked
for help multiple times as well and to no avail. I think it’s wrong to link this to ASD though as it’s clearly a failing on the part of many professionals. Much like in the case of Sara Sharif blame was put on home education when in fact there were a series of failings made by professionals.

He did have a lot of white hate material that he sourced online.

This. This. This.

it happened when Starmer had been PM for what? A week?

anything that happened due to systemic failures were ABSOLUTELY the Tory’s fault. They had been in power since this monster was 3 years old, he spent his entire life under Tory governance,

Evidence for this claim?

@itsnotabouthepasta you could go back further actually and look at how services in many areas were wiped out by the needs of people who came here under the Blair government in 2006. Then the credit crunch hit then austerity and here we are.

Generally speaking our deepest instincts/impulses will be to stick with what we know, to stick with the people with whom we have the most in common and who most closely resemble us.
It takes work effort and planning to counteract this, which means that British people also have took overcome their impulses to stick with what they know. In a sense we are all hard wired to reject foreigners to not trust the unfamiliar.
It is better if we can find common ground of course!

Ok, @SunshinDay - so your thesis is that there was an influx of people who immigrated, who overwhelmed services, under the Labour government of Blair, and that this is the main problem? Not the austerity ideology, which Cameron himself admitted was driven mainly by philosophy? And that 14 years of right wing, small state focus is less the problem in this case than the failings of professionals? I am trying to understand where you are coming from?

How do you explain that most immigrants are productive, helpful, respectful and valuable members of society? That the NHS and other services would collapse without them?

@BoldRed his dad called police because he fought with him and damaged his car.

What are you talking about? He was born here.

Bugger all ime

@Hotflushesandchilblains "thesis"?

Where are we? A chat forum or university?

If you're interested there have been desperate calls from charities way back in Blair a day saying they used to have, say 10 people a week needing their services and suddenly there are 30 / 40 and they can't cope.

I'm responding to the poster who soley wants to blame the tories.

Under Blair charities and organisations in many parts of the UK were literally inundated with new cases they couldn't support. Swiftly followed by the global credit crisis, austerity

@maverickfox I know 🙄

I was working in the third sector when the Tories got in. They almost immediately cut funding by a third.

His parents called the police FOUR times to ask for help. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/axel-rudakubana-parents-police-prevent-southport-killer-b2685522.html

Are you seriously asking 'how could more funding have helped?' Are you unaware of what has happened to services in the UK since 2010?

More funding for all the vital harm prevention services - social work police, youth services, CAMHS etc. - would allow greater intervention at an earlier stage. The general public is at higher risk due to all the cuts.

I kmow bold I was referring to his dad and mum being scared of him so mentioned the occasion where he called the police when he fought with him and he's damaged the car.

I’m not surprised you’re “not integrated” with your community or with 95% of the population when you lack so much empathy. “They get enough as far as I can tell” — are you from a different planet?

@verycloakanddaggers perhaps you have not read my posts before diving in..
I said I know all agencies need far more funding but he had access to all these agencies didn't he.
He wasn't denied any access because of a lack of funding but it's clear that each agency was utterly useless in this case?

@SunshinDay yes, and he kicked him too. He also had frightening meltdowns when they tried to limit his internet use. I imagine living with him was extremely difficult

Maybe if they had more funding they would have had more options for him, more staff and so on. It is clearly a funding issue.

I don't think you understand how the harm prevention services work.

If they are short of money, they have to 'prioritise' - and this is where it gets dangerous for the public.

He did not have access - why are you saying that? What do you even mean by the word 'access'?

His mum called 999 when he went missing and they found him when a bus driver called 999 and they found a knife. They told the family to protect their knives.

Cloak he had an ehcp, cahms, police, prevent and the last service from the special school for excluded children who were scared of him and gently trying to help him think about the victims of his hero's.

This is exactly the sort of non-response that results from a chronic lack of funding in the harm prevention services.