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AIBU?

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To not want to leave children with DH because it creates work for me?

255 replies

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 14:53

I know I’m going to get a bit of an online flaming for this but I’m genuinely wondering how many of us are in the same position.

Our children are four and one (two in may.) And I need a break from them but I never get one because I just don’t like leaving them with DH. I do love him and he loves the children but he just can’t seem to plan ahead for when he has them and it creates work for me.

So some examples are

Not giving DS anything to eat and then when DS was hungry let him eat an entire pack of blueberries and then he had loose poos the next day and was sent home from preschool.

Not offering them drinks - this is a biggie as DS doesn’t drink enough as it is.

If I go out and they are in the house I come back and it honestly looks like it’s been ransacked .

Driving somewhere that’s a fair trek mid to late afternoon so someone falls asleep and is then up till gone ten.

Not changing DDs nappy when it’s wet (only dirty)

I know people will claim it’s weaponised incompetent and it honestly isn’t. Just incompetence. And I know one of the issues is he isn’t used to having them but I frankly CBA with the fallout for when he does!

OP posts:
WhatFreshHellisThese · 25/01/2025 19:38

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:31

So - like I say, I knew I’d be ultimately the one held responsible for DHs behaviour and the thread hasn’t disappointed in that respect. I’m not going to bother arguing on that score. Things are as they are and won’t change, unless I leave and I don’t plan to.

He's the one doing it but you're letting it slide and sucking it up by the sounds of things. Not sure what you wanted from this thread? Lots of sympathy?! You don't want to leave and you don't appear to have any plans for making him face the consequences of his actions. So he's most likely probably going to continue in his neglectful lazy fashion

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/01/2025 19:40

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:31

So - like I say, I knew I’d be ultimately the one held responsible for DHs behaviour and the thread hasn’t disappointed in that respect. I’m not going to bother arguing on that score. Things are as they are and won’t change, unless I leave and I don’t plan to.

You aren't to blame for his actions, he's a shit father and that's on him, not you. You are to blame for enabling him, minimising his neglectful behaviour and for still somehow wanting to be with someone who neglects his children.

I mean, how can you look at him and not be constantly disgusted?

tearsandtiaras · 25/01/2025 19:41

If is unable to feed a toddler how would he manage in 4 years time when children need bigger meals? Can he cook or prepare food at all?

How will he react when his primary aged child draws a picture at school showing what they did at the weekend and they draw themselves hungry. " daddy didn't feed me all day, i was hungry. I was sad."

What do you think the teacher would do then?!!!!

Please look at the bigger picture OP.
Get yourselves on a parenting course ,
Upskill

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:42

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/01/2025 19:40

You aren't to blame for his actions, he's a shit father and that's on him, not you. You are to blame for enabling him, minimising his neglectful behaviour and for still somehow wanting to be with someone who neglects his children.

I mean, how can you look at him and not be constantly disgusted?

Edited

I am not to blame for anything. I do everything and I do it well.

OP posts:
Screamingabdabz · 25/01/2025 19:45

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:37

It’s MN AIBU; of course I won’t get solidarity from other women 😂

You’re not going to get ‘solidarity’ from those of us married to reasonably competent grown adults.

But just because we are not in solidarity doesn’t mean we all don’t want better for you. And we want you to want better for yourself rather than being resigned to it.

Think of it as tough love.

SouthLondonMum22 · 25/01/2025 19:46

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:42

I am not to blame for anything. I do everything and I do it well.

You enable him and you excuse and minimise his neglect. You absolutely have some blame.

As I said, despite his behaviour, you can also somehow not only look at him but stay with him. He would've been out on his arse the first time I came back to my child in a nappy full of piss.

mathanxiety · 25/01/2025 19:47

Your H is taking the piss.

Tell him he needs to grow the F* up and that he will be the one dealing with all the consequences of his extremely poor behaviour from now on.

Baby sleeps in the car - he stays up and gets baby to sleep that night.
House a disaster zone - he picks up and cleans everything.
Toddler sent home from nursery because of inappropriate food - he takes the time off work to deal with it.

All the consequences need to fall on him. Do not put up with this pathetic (weaponised) incompetence one day longer.

mathanxiety · 25/01/2025 19:48

And not changing a nappy - I have no words. This is a lazy, selfish, self-centered pig of a man.

Corinthiana · 25/01/2025 19:49

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:42

I am not to blame for anything. I do everything and I do it well.

Why do you do everything?
Ask yourself why a functioning adult can't parent successfully?
I'm not having a go at you, it's easy to get used to bad behaviour and accommodate it, but please listen to people on here, and take their advice.

jannier · 25/01/2025 19:50

tearsandtiaras · 25/01/2025 19:27

Jannier Im afraid you are wrong.
A SS referral does not automatically mean SS intervention. It is highlighting a concern of parenting.

As i said in my previous post this is not about one wet nappy its about the bigger picture and parents not being adequately informed about meeting a Childs basic care needs

I never said it did

mathanxiety · 25/01/2025 19:51

And, OP, this is indeed weaponised incompetence.

It is also his way of telling you that he thinks of childcare as beneath him, and thinks of your role as someone who will clean up after him and deal with the chaos and neglect he blithely inflicts on the children.

It's a massive "fuck you" to you and to the children. He's telling you all that you're beneath him.

jannier · 25/01/2025 19:53

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:37

It’s MN AIBU; of course I won’t get solidarity from other women 😂

But you're not looking to change it you just want to say poor me I can't do anything but suffer. At the same time you're bringing up children in the same pattern. Women do have to instigate a change in their lives not just accept it because the CBA as you put it.

Duckingella · 25/01/2025 19:53

Well he's successfully used weaponised incompetence to ensure he doesn't ever have to do any solo parenting ever again hasn't he?

jannier · 25/01/2025 19:54

Screamingabdabz · 25/01/2025 19:45

You’re not going to get ‘solidarity’ from those of us married to reasonably competent grown adults.

But just because we are not in solidarity doesn’t mean we all don’t want better for you. And we want you to want better for yourself rather than being resigned to it.

Think of it as tough love.

Exactly

mathanxiety · 25/01/2025 19:54

Gggglinda · 25/01/2025 16:54

People who say go out for longer clearly have never dealt with this. You are punishing the children by going out for longer as it's longer they are having to deal with this too waiting for op to get back. It doesn't suddenly snap him in to being able to look after them.

And there's the cunning and manipulation behind his atrocious behaviour in a nutshell.

She needs to make him deal with all of the consequences.

He is perfectly well able to look after them. He just resents having to.

InvisibilityCloakActivated · 25/01/2025 19:55

If he doesn't know what to do then sign him up to some parenting courses at the children's centre. "I don't know" is only an excuse the first time. At ages 1 and 4, he really should be knowing by now.

bakewellbride · 25/01/2025 19:56

"I’m pretty much resigned to this being how it is. It does make me a bit resentful but it’s getting easier and will get easier still as they get older."

Don't give up op. Resentment is horrible and grows and you don't deserve that plus kids pick up on it. You can't count on it consistently getting easier either - there are illness and bumps along the road and the kids having the dad able to step up when needed will be so useful.

I would just keep at it. Keep talking to him. Keep leaving the kids with him and giving him the chance to learn from his mistakes. Sorry, it sounds tough x

mathanxiety · 25/01/2025 19:56

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 17:28

We go to plenty of places, just … not at 430 in the evening!

So I knew I’d be held responsible and I am not disappointed. I think the thing is that it’s impossible in most average family homes to be oblivious to preschoolers running around no matter how much you might want to. (And they seek me out anyway.)

I am resigned to it by now. DHs dad is the same, just hyper focused on one thing and everything else ceases to exist.

So he needs to wrap his hyperfocused little brain around the fact that his focus needs to be the children.

This isn't a case of can't. It's a case of a man who is so far up his own entitled macho arse that he won't.

BellesAndGraces · 25/01/2025 19:56

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:42

I am not to blame for anything. I do everything and I do it well.

You are your own worst enemy. Doing everything and doing it well is nothing to be proud of when you are in a marriage. Especially when it’s rendered you tired, resentful and miserable.

It’s not your fault your DH is incompetent but it is your fault for not doing anything about it and then being upset that he is incompetent. It’s one of those scenarios where you either put up or shut up.

If you can’t take some action for your own sake do it for your children. Don’t allow them to learn that the dynamic you have is normal and acceptable. If your child comes to you with a similar issue when they’re older, what would you say to them?

It’s also interesting how you have a similar presentation of hyper focus to your DH. Here you are arguing with a PP about social services instead of addressing the good advice you have received. Probably because it’s easier to focus on that poster than it is to acknowledge that actually you might not be entirely powerless here.

Lollipop81 · 25/01/2025 19:58

butterfliesandbugs · 25/01/2025 19:37

It’s MN AIBU; of course I won’t get solidarity from other women 😂

its not about blaming you. Your husband is clearly at fault for neglecting his children when he should be looking after them. It’s more your attitude of just accepting that. If a woman didn’t change her child’s nappy or didn’t offer them a drink would you be so happy to accept that? It’s not about female solidarity, an adult whether male or female, should know to offer a child a drink and to change a baby’s nappy. Not sure what you wanted from this post, did you just expect everyone to say oh it’s ok he is a man, you shouldn’t expect more of him.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 25/01/2025 19:59

Does he have a job?

Hedgingmybetching · 25/01/2025 20:04

Simonjt · 25/01/2025 15:34

Not providing food or drink, leaving a baby in a soiled nappy. It isn’t incompetence, its neglect.

This is what I came here to say, there may come a time when they have no choice but to be cared for by their father, he might move closer to his parents if you weren't here anymore, but what during the weeks or months before that happens.

Neglect is unacceptable and he needs to have a fucking word with himself.

Edit, Also it may not be SS levels of intervention, but it's still neglect. Xx This is not putting the blame on you as you no longer allow him to be alone with the children and you are safeguarding them, but he needs telling.

mathanxiety · 25/01/2025 20:05

Sorry to serial post, I'm having phone issues...

The fact that his dad had the luxury of hyper focusing on whatever whim entered his head doesn't mean anything other than the fact that your H grew up in a home where someone else allowed the father to indulge in whatever activity took his fancy.

Your H has a really bad habit that developed in a home where he had poor role models. It's not something biological or inherently male to behave like this. Men are perfectly capable of functioning in all areas of life - because they see rewards for them in that, and validation of what they see as their elevated status.

Your FIL and now his son are what used to be called chauvinist pigs - they have absorbed the idea that childcare is a low status way to use your time and energy, and therefore it is only for women.

At the root of all this is deep-seated misogyny and male obsession with hierarchy and status.

Your H is laying claim to a luxury here - the luxury of occupying your mind with complete thoughts about something interesting, and the luxury of irresponsible behaviour that has no consequences for him. Do not let him indulge in that while you are left with the drudgery.

Mikiamo · 25/01/2025 20:06

Why on earth would you breed with someone who neglects their own children? Twice!

selfrespecthaver · 25/01/2025 20:29

I feel so sorry for your daughter tbh. She's stuck with a father who only cares about her in a similar way a little kid cares about the family dog AND a weirdo mother obsessed with masochistically modelling patriarchal gender roles. Hopefully she's exposed to something beyond this antiquated dysfunction later on in life.

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