Am I a far right extremist?

[Isitme245]

I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

'And by not interpreting it as a Nazi salute you are a sympathiser and should be tarred with the same brush.'

Loads of leaders do this thump chest then hand up gesture. Go on X there's pics of Obama, Macron and others doing the same none of whom are 'nazis'.

The reason for reducing the limit on abortions is that we can now be fairly sure a 24-week feotus will survive and be healthy, which was not the case up until recently. It seems reasonable to lower the limit in the light of this fact, unless there is good reason for a later abortion e.g. catastrophic abnormality e.g. anencephaly. At the moment, as you say, very few women go past 24 weeks for an abortion and it is because of death of the child, conditions where life is insupportable, or where the mother's life is in severe danger. Such decisions would not be affected by lowering the limit to 22 weeks, because many of them occur now after 24 weeks.
But then, though a second wave feminist, I don't consider unfettered abortion to be a right. Abortion is a last resort, to be undertaken carefully for good reason. Good reason I would consider to be rape, incest, catastrophic abnormality, severe risk to the mother's life (it has to be severe since pregnancy itself is a risk to the woman). Obviously, ectopic pregnancy, but that is a surgical procedure and I don't consider it to be in the category 'abortion'.

I’m certainly pro abortion, but having a family member with two DC’s born at 24 weeks I would favour lowering the limit.
Im not a medical person but would have thought about 20 weeks seems about right to me.
Feel free to disagree, that’s the advantage of living in the UK; we are allowed to have different opinions. Although it does seem that nowadays people are trying to shut down discussion which is Carys

Because if it was a nazi salute it was a weird one. Which nazi saluted by swinging his body to the side? I loathe the man and think he’s dangerous - but that did not strike me as a nazi salute. It was a topic of conversation yesterday amongst a whole group of folks who also loathe him and not one person thought it was a Nazi salute.

No, I think you sound pretty central.

The problem is there is a portion of those on the left who dismiss any views different to what they have as being "far right" and try to gaslight people for it.

I hold some views that are deemed to be far left AND some that are deemed to be far right.
Probably a lot of other people do, too.
But the prevailing view is that if you believe in this, then you must automatically believe the whole package.
Not so.

I don't trust Elon Musk, just as I don't trust a whole bunch of other, usually mega rich people, who have power without responsibility.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intended as a nazi salute; equally, I wouldn't be surprised if it was intended as a Roman senator type gesture.

But I saw a YouTube compilation of public figures who have given an apparently nazi salute, including lots of “good guys”, Barack Obama amongst them, and some British politicians. Annoyingly, I can't find it now.
It begins with hand on heart, then throwing out the arm to the audience. I've seen rock stars do it, too.

Re. Immigration and deportation you sound a bit naive.

And I don't understand your point about 'an individual can move to the next country without limits' - where does this apply?

So now you have answered your own question, what's next?

speaking from personal experience, please remember that it’s only at 20 weeks where a significant number of complex medical issues with a foetus can be identified for the first time leading to termination for medical reasons. If your 20 week scan takes place towards the end of your 20th week or into the start of your 21st week, a ban on abortions beyond 22 weeks would not give sufficient time for the necessary medical appointments, discussions and then procedures which would need to happen for a termination for medical reason. Only 1% of abortions happen after 20 weeks in England and Wales anyway, so reducing it to 22 weeks will have a tiny impact on the number of abortions taking place but a significant impact on the health and wellbeing of mothers who find themselves in this most awful of circumstance. I’d really suggest having a read of the annual stats on abortion in England and Wales to fully understand the impact of seemingly harmless suggestions to lower the gestational limit.

Exactly. It was not a Nazi salute.

And he did it twice !! Little room for doubt as far as I can see. It looked more like the slightly sideways fascist salute that Mussolini used rather than the nazi arm straight in the air and the click of the heels, but still, it’s worrying. And also worrying that he chose to joke about it when challenged.

The majority? Are you sure about that

Of course you are not far right. Your friend like is the one we need to be worried about it. She is trying to silent your valid points. Shut your thought and judge you in a very serious way. I would said those are very serious accusations. If I were you I would stop that friendship as it is not going to be healthy.

Perfectly reasonable to discuss abortion laws.

However there’s only one reason Farage is doing this and it’s because it’s the milder starting point on the road towards the US right view. The US right he spends more time fawning over in person than he does in Clacton.

Perhaps he could spend more time on undoing the enormous economic damage caused by the Brexit lies…

I didn't see this, but X is full of pics of e.g. Obama making the same gesture. I don't think Musk is a Nazi as opposed to far right in a UK sense. FWIW, what we call a 'Nazi' salute used to be the salute given when taking the pledge in the US. There are pictures of children in school performing it.

It's absolutely disgusting that anyone with views such as yours get branded far right extremist! Whatever happened to this being a free country? My husband has been called that and he argues the case every time, just because your views don't line up with someone else's you shouldn't be tarred with that brush. It should be an offence to call someone a nazi unless they actually claim to be one

That's your problem then, you've come at her with views that are ill informed.

If you had done some research and still had the same opinions then that's a different matter, but as it stands you haven't.

I would be annoyed if someone who hadn't bothered to educate themselves on some very important topics started trying to comfort me based on reading a few sentences they have taken at face value.

I would spent the day doing a bit of research and then, even if your opinions are still the same, you can discuss them properly (if that's what you want to do when you meet up).

Was he stretching out a cramp in his shoulder and accidentally moved in a manner exactly the same as a Nazi salute?

Seriously, let's just call a spade a spade.
Whatever his intentions were, it was a Nazi salute.

Yes any photos of nazis carry out this salute, they are standing very straight with their head upright and only their arm raised. Not with their head tipped to one side like Elon Musk.
Taken to extremes is Usain Bolt’s gesture a nazi salute?

indeed, it’s the Goodwin argument. When you run short of ideas, call everyone far right.

15-25% of the population is progressist / woke, and it’s the beginning of the end for them, they ll never grow larger, Labour will never win another GE, the wheels have come off, people are talking, the shaming and cancelling dissenting opinions that worked for so long, that is broken too

Calling the majority of the electorate Nazi is the last line of defense, we can all guess how effective it will be …

Endorsing the AfD says everything.

nfkl · Today 12:03

BallerinaRadio · Today 11:55
People can't really believe this nonsense 🙄

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Nonsense?
Ppl are in jail for Facebook posts

Would those be the Facebook posts making false claims about the identity and nationality of the perpetrator of vicious murders, mis-naming an innocent party and urging people to take up arms, attack mosques and set fire to hotels housing refugees?

You don’t think such incitement should result in a prison term?

We're all far-right now

@Isitme245
Just jumped on to say that the actual government of Germany has sided with your friend about Musks Nazi salute. When I was a teenager I would never have believed that the German government would have to start policing the rest of the world about using Nazi symbols.
Also FYI Musk is a white South African who grew up under apartheid you might want to consider what that might mean.
As for abortion, do me a favour have you read Handmaid's Tale everything in it actually happened or is happening, nothing to do with lowering abortion limits is neutral.