Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

@thepariscrimefiles Ah okay I didn't know about this. I think if I had more context and information about him then when I'd watched the video I would've thought that too. I don't keep up with Musk's views etc. My mind is changed

Oh I'm sure there are plenty of people who'll accept that uncritically.

That's exactly what's happening, he just needs to get enough support by starting off with less extreme plans first.

When would you start fighting, you're OK with 24-22, what about 22-20? 20-18? Under 18 weeks?

I think people resort to just categorizing 'far right or looney left' when they cannot engage with the points raised. Most of your points were logical and not what I would deem far right.

But, I don't understand how you can see someone doing a Nazi salute and not interpret it as a Nazi salute.

farage is just a milder version of trump

an yes it was a nazi salute-go look up wen he atually ddone a love you all gesture previously comepltely diferent-knows what hes doing

I think the salute was a deliberate provocative act with plausible deniability. The hand on the heart, he was just throwing love and thanks to everyone. Yeah right.

The abortion limit is a step in the wrong direction, pro choice means as early as possible as late as needed.

Immigration- well if we monitored the situation better we could provide more appropriate support. I'm very much if it's a global economy then who are we to say people can't move here. If as an individual can move to the next county without limits why can't someone move to this country. I'd rather open doors to anyone anywhere who needs a helping hand.

Deporting? No I think we are better keeping them here, educating and helping them to realise it's wrong.

Immigration is the one area where I don't think we are tough enough criminal immigrants serve your sentence and get out low level criminal immigrants get out and both need to stay out

There was a case YEARS ago where a man killed his girlfriend (I think he was Greek?) Served his sentence and successfully gained the right to remain he stayed in the same area as her mum this should never happen in my opinion and solidified my thoughts on Immigration

@TankFlyBossWalkJamNittyGrittyIAmFromAMidSizeCity
Anything more than the initial lowering to 22 weeks would feel weird to me. If the case is that 24 week old babies can now be viable outside the womb, it feels reasonable to lower it to 22 weeks. I'd be worried and strongly question the motivations of lowering it any more.

No doubt.

Fact is, no party is able to deliver those pledges in reality, but Reform are the only one seen to be 'telling it straight' and that speaks to the type of person that's had enough of our softly softly approach where we'll turn a blind eye to mass sexual assault and rape rather than risk offending the cultures/communities the perpetrators originate from.

Nonsense?
Ppl are in jail for Facebook posts, the govt was a whisker away from introducing blasphemy law to stifle public discourse, the handling of the raping cases show a blatant structural contempt for white girls because they were white and working class in order to appease foreign communities
What more do you need?

On the spectrum of things that never happened....

Who's having abortions at 24 weeks anyway?

A tiny amount of women under very, very extreme and heartbreaking circumstances.

The only reason to lower the limit is to chip away at rights that were hard won in the first place.

You 'feeling weird' isn't a reason to be ok with our rights being eroded.

Many on the left would consider your opinions 'far right'. I am a socialist and I share most of the opinions you express here. I am a second wave feminist but have become comfortable with the support for abortion on demand, for example, and I am firmly of the opinion that non-citizens who are asylum seekers and who abuse our system to the extent of rape or murder, should be deported to their home country once they have served their sentence here.
I am also in favour of sex-segregated spaces/prizes etc.
I consider these to be left-wing opinions and have begun to think that what the 'left' think is progressive is both right-wing and misogynistic and also economically and culturally destructive e.g. you cannot have unfettered immigration if you wish to maintain a stable society.
I can't stand Farage (who wants to privatise the NHS on the US insurance model) and do not much like Trump (but support him for the EO to stop gender ideology replacing biological sex) who is a misogynist, afaik.
You have explained your views to your friend. She finds she does not agree with them. This is fine. You can still be friends - I am friends and family with people who like Farage and Trump (late DH did - but he was a Liberal) and DD thinks I am anti-trans, but I live with it and tend to avoid confrontation (sometimes). Politics is generally considered an improper topic for social conversations, anyway. Talk about things you both like and where opinions are only opinions and not 'life-style' choices.

I find all of these Right figures very worrying indeed because it is what you find when you dig a bit.
Musk is the most worrying of all to me, especially in his role of First Buddy, or whatever his new role is.
I am centrist, in that I voted Labour as soon as I could vote but it was very much for New Labour, and of course that was years before the war in Iraq.
Growing up in a Northern town wasn’t much fun under Thatcher, but I could see where her popular support came from.
I never felt under threat from politicians like Reagan, Bush and George W. Bush in that they weren’t on the extreme. And yes I know that the third one there spearheaded the second Gulf War.
Here in the UK I have huge respect for some previous Tories like John Major and Michael Heseltine, and Theresa May, on a good day.
There was an element of public service about all of these people.
Once Johnson got in here, I lost any respect I had due to his absolute lack of a sense of decency. Why people fell for his bumbling clown act I have no idea.
Farage isn’t a public servant. He’s self-serving. He’s an agitator not someone who is willing to do the hard work it takes to genuinely make a difference.

This did happen. I'm meant to see her and a friend tomorrow so I'm trying to gain insight into my views so we can clear the air beforehand and move forward

I'm with you op, totally agree with everything you say. If that makess me 'far right' well, we all know it doesn't.

The lefties are panicking and calling everyone a nazi is all they have. Hugely offensive of course for the millions who were slaughtered by actual nazis.

You do sound quite right wing and I certainly don’t agree with you.

I wouldn’t say fascist but it does sound like you’ve taken a bit of a “don’t care if it doesn’t affect me.” Plus it sounds as though you might be confusing immigration with asylum seeking, when the two are really quite different.

On the deportation of immigrants who commit crime I don’t disagree in principle but what if the place you’d deport them to would either (a) kill thrm, or (b) not punish them at all?

No, you’re not.

I think you sound pretty centrist. But since I started believing men cannot become women I am apparently far right or shilling for them.

Seems to me that ‘fascist’ and ‘far-right’ are used to stop people thinking. Literal thought cancelling cliches. Which makes people using them either very conformist or a tad bit Machiavellian.

Musk could have done a big thumps-up gesture, pumped his fists, made a ‘love’ sign, waved frantically, saluted to the forehead, held his arms aloft…. His gesture, Nazi or not, was one of supremacy and power.

@Sassysoonwins
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Admittedly I think Nigel Farage is a master of sounding quite reasonable until you dig deeper which is why his followers are so far right

This. Watch “”Ordinary Men: The Forgotten Holocaust” to see how oh so reasonable, manipulative leaders can persuade “decent, ordinary” people to do just about anything and justify it to themselves.

@TankFlyBossWalkJamNittyGrittyIAmFromAMidSizeCity Again I'm not overly researched in this topic. She sent me the article, all I did was read it and try to reassure her that it's not going to be banned. I'm not here to argue on my views and am happy to be educated so I can understand why she got so upset with me

It was a Nazi salute. As for murderers and rapist's being they committed the crime in the UK they have to go to trial and serve their sentence in the UK. Deport them if they are released yes. But to deport them before is just senseless there would be no justice. Reform will never win the election anyway. All Fararge talk's about is immigration. So yes you do have far right view's.

I mean, it was a nazi salute.
Doesn't matter how you interpret it but you need to be prepared for how that will look to other people 🤷🏼‍♀️