Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

Thank you for your honesty. The cancel culture was the start, the guilt by association is in full flow despite most people’s very moderate views. The labelling, insulting, gas lighting and attempt to silence is really concerning.

There would much more consensus on the broader issues and a united front to condemn actual racists etc if this stopped, It is also destroying the meaning of the word, as it’s becoming so diluted. Which is unhelpful to say the least.

I want answers.
As do most people.

Why can’t we summon up the power to change what is happening. If real control and enforcement around immigration was activated it would put the ‘far right’ out of business overnight.

We have no housing stock, hospital beds, surgery space, social care, prison space left!!!

And for what it is worth, I utterly condemn the far right or any form of racism.

If someone from the left could even manage to acknowledge the issues on the ground that would be a start, but they stand there with their fingers in their ears as Rome literally burns.

This is the central issue.

The refusal to acknowledge the reality in much of the country, and we are now at severe risk now of failing everyone, including the real refugees that are in the middle of this mess left unsupported and unhoused with very bleak futures.

@dappledgreyandwhite yes those threads were there, don't worry about it you're not misremembering

Thank you. Sooty again is gas lighting. She was on most of the threads!

If that’s what it takes to get the questions answered and something done about the immigration problem ( and yes, it IS a problem) then so be it.

Would you consider yourself a supporter of far right ideology?

Of course, people on the far right of politics are famous for wanting constructive debate! As if! Trump and Musk just throw out imbecilic, childish insults to anyone that challenges and disagrees with them. They get away with it because they have extreme power and no-one dares challenge them. Any push back from the more moderate Republicans has stopped as they know what Trump is like and how vindictive he is.

Please provide links to videos of these other people raising their arms. People are reacting to the video of Elon's salute which, in my opinion, removes all doubt as to his intentions.

Thank you for making my point about gaslighting and normalisation from Musk supporters so succinctly.

Show me the videos of these, in full, from start to end and I will happily believe you. Anyone can have a photograph taken in a compromising position from the right angle or still. If their movements match Musks I will happily retract my statement. But you won't post them, because they don't exist.

Accusations of gaslighting without evidence just to build a baseless case doesn't mean something happened.

I think part of the problem on the discussion on the rise of right wing politics is the supply / demand imbalance on racism.

The supply of genuine racists and those saying openly racist comments has fallen dramatically over the last 30 years - the things people openly said 30 years ago on race would be totally unacceptable today.

However the demand (especially from the left) for finding racists or seeing racism in society or someone saying racist comments has gone up significantly over the last 20 years as politics has polarised.

As a result this has led to people (especially on the left) "seeing"
examples of racism in society when it's not really there, misinterpreting comments as racist when they really weren't and throwing the accusations of "racist" around at anyone they disagree with, to the point that the term starts to lose its true meaning.

I've searched using Advanced Search and on Google and there is one thread from 2019 from someone whose DH wouldn't let her invite her Conservative voting grandparents for Christmas. That's it.

That is almost the funniest thing I have read on here. Intolerance is at the core of right wing politics.

Yet again it is worth posting that do any of the people in your picture have any relationship or support of a far right party in Germany or with Tommy Robinson? Context is everything and you are spectacularly missing your own point.

calling bullshit on your post

• no one on the left would describe themselves as a ‘rabid lefty’, that is the language of the right
• Jordan Peterson is not moderate in any sense
• if only there was a ‘cancel culture’ then I wouldn’t be hearing non stop right wing shite all day long

Ridiculous attempt at normalisation. It's harder to find racists so the left are accusing everyone in the middle. Fucks sake.

Unless you show the full unedited video clip of before and after those arm raises, the photos are all meaningless.

Oops sorry. I see this has been said numerous times! Bears repeating, though.

I’m sorry but this is bullshit. How many experiences of racism have you had in the last 30 years? If none, could that be simply because you’re from a group which will not be on the receiving end of racism? Just because racism has changed its face, it doesn’t mean it has disappeared.

If there are so many posts saying this, why not link to a few?

I remember a few posts where people said they avoided talking to family members or friends about politics because of differing views. But that is not the same thing is it?

I found this thread, but it barely got any traction.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/general-election-2024/5086814-family-friends-work-colleagues-fallout?reply=135752889

Some facts:

in the year ending March 2023, there were 145,214 hate crimes recorded by the police in England and Wales (excluding Devon and Cornwall), a 5% decrease compared with the previous year
this was the first annual fall since the Home Office began collecting comparable data in the year ending March 2013

increases in police recorded hate crime prior to this year were thought to have been driven by improvements in crime recording by the police and better identification of what constitutes a hate crime

as in previous years, the majority of hate crimes were racially motivated, accounting for over two-thirds of such offences (70%; 101,906 offences)
racially motivated hate crime decreased by 6% over the last year, this was driven by a decrease in racially or religiously aggravated public fear, alarm or distress offences

So there are still plenty of racists available.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023

Thank goodness this far right apologist thread is nearly full.

Sadly we all know there will be another one along any second now…
‘I’ve been close friends with someone for 30 years and suddenly I’ve found out they think I’m right wing’
’I’ve got horrible neighbours and guess what they’re migrants/ Roma’
’I despise violence against women and girls but I despise it so very much more and in fact only post about it when it is enacted by Muslim gangs’
’I can’t be right wing because my friend who happens to be of a different racial heritage agrees with me that there are too many immigrants’

This thread is illustrative of the fact that media manipulation is rife and this applies to both sides of the political divide.

What beggars belief in the event of an apparent rise of far right views is that those on the left of the spectrum respond by censoring debate.

This is what I mean about nuance. Until society can start discussing important issues without flinging labels and/ or shutting down debate because it's deemed as 'wrong think' then divisions are going to increase rather than lessen.

A LOT of people who are naturally left leaning get accused of being right wing because we get fed up with the fact that the left are so reluctant discuss issues that don't accord with their belief system, we've seen this with the women's rights / trans issues, people don't tend to take well to being called bigots.

There are better ways of progressing as a society. Banning views doesn't tend to end well for anyone.

I don't see why some think mn should just be for their views, not all threads need to be long running Labour takes

This is quite ignorant to be honest. What views are being ‘banned’? How can anyone without power ban a view?
What are the idea most discussed in the current British media discourse?
I hear very little about taxing wealth but a lot about immigration
I hear a lot about banning the boats but not much about how privatisation has damaged every element of British public services
I hear more criticism of the European convention on human rights act than about human rights being upheld

As it is Holocaust Remembrance Day, here is a link to a survey which illustrates why we must always be on our guard about the rise of the far-right and the lies they peddle.

Survey participants who disagree that the Holocaust happened and the number of Jews who were killed has been accurately and fairly described are 25% in France and Austria, 24% in Germany, 23% in Poland and Romania, 19% in Hungary, 17% in the U.K., and 16% in the U.S.

www.claimscon.org/country-survey/

Have your threads/posts been taken down for 'wrong think'? Who is banning your views?

My take would be that although there might now be less overt racism (e.g. it's now less acceptable to use common racial slurs in polite society), you could argue that entrenched institutionalised racism and micro-aggressions have increased.

Don’t be stupid now.