Am I a far right extremist?

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I had a conversation with my best friend of 25 years the other day and she called me a far right extremist and how my views are scary, dangerous and 'nazi coded'
I was really shocked as I didn't think any of what I said was bad. I'm not a particularly avid supporter of any political party and very much keep opinions to myself. She's very supportive of labour and anti trump and always has been. Usually when she asks me my opinions I just don't want to get into it but I did the other night and now I feel bad.

Here's the breakdown:

• she sent me an article and told me that Nigel Farage is going to ban abortion eventually if he wins an election. I read the article and pointed out he only suggested lowering the abortion cut off date to 22 weeks (not 24 as it is now). I told her it wasn't the end of the world and it's reasonable if you read his reasons. I also made the point that men shouldn't really be getting involved in abortion law but that what he said wasn't the end of the world.

• she asked me about immigration and I said that it's great but that we should be prioritising skilled immigrants and have stronger immigration laws. She also asked about asylum seekers and hotels and I said that we should have stronger laws about monitoring people and collecting documentation when people arrive.

• she sent me and asked about Elon Musk's Nazi salute and I said I didn't interpret it that way

• I said that immigrants who rape or murder should be deported.

To me this feels really reasonable and not over the top but she really attacked me for it? Now I feel really awkward and uncomfortable talking to her. Is this far right??

Is this a serious post or satire?! 😂 Getting increasingly hard to tell on here lately 😁
Why would what a celebrity thinks automatically form your stance, that's bonkers lol

This is my favourite post ever. Lol

It seems to me that more and more people on the left side of politics are becoming more and more intolerant of other people's views. Decent debate is rare, especially when people who should know better keep accusing anyone who disagrees with the hard left as being 'nazis'. And just for context regarding Musk, can we all take a deep breath and look at the following:

I think those images are helpful x people will see what they want to, and fit it around their narrative.

One might argue that a healthy democracy relies on lots of views and intolerance breeds division and more intolerance. The left particularly are very rigid and entrenched I have noticed. For anyone in the centre (most people) and open to different ideas and debate it seems almost cult like.
They become insulting and quite unable to engage at all.

This is the biggest threat to our way of life. The type that can’t be friends or even speak to a ‘Tory’ even though they have never met one. It’s polarising. Dangerous and anti democratic.

I don’t know what Musk stands for, I expect it might be completely different next week, I’m not paying much attention to him. I don’t see any kind of mass movement to the ‘hard right’ I do think most people are sick of uncontrolled immigration though, and the impact it is now having on all of our lives.

@dappledgreyandwhite

The left particularly are very rigid and entrenched I have noticed. For anyone in the centre (most people) and open to different ideas and debate it seems almost cult like.
They become insulting and quite unable to engage at all.

Where are you engaging with 'the left'? What views is this hive mind coming out with that's entrenched?

All I see over and over again, is people slagging off 'the left', complaining about lack of debate yet offering none of their own.

I disagree that the biggest threat to our way of life is 'the left' being unable to engage.

Why don't you offer something to engage with?

Brilliant post.

This month's theme, on multiple platforms, seems to be "There is no such thing as the far right, we are just asking reasonable questions. Not our fault if they are the same ones that Tommy Robinson asks."

Yep! If Tommy Robinson had made his debut in 2025 rather than whatever year he actually started crawling out into the public eye, people would be claiming he’s not far right but is just asking valid questions.

Tommy Robinson is no doubt far right, and some of his questions are reasonable.

On here. All. Of The. Time.

There is thread after thread saying I have just found out my lovely grandfather voted Conservative, I will never speak to him again. I can’t forgive him etc. it’s too extreme.

Anyone that dares to voice their concerns about hundreds of male migrants moving in next to their children’s school are slammed as a ‘racist thug’.

You dare to state that we don’t have the housing or infrastructure to support millions of arrivals every year suddenly you are ‘far right’ !!

The extreme language and silencing is most definitely coming from the left, and has been for years. And god help you if you had the audacity to vote with your conscience and voted for Brexit. Then the pack are really coming for you.

It’s bullying. It’s gas lighting. It silences the real debate that needs to happen BEFORE things do descend into more division or worse.

Tens of millions are genuinely concerned like op. She is no more far right than she is far left. She is just someone that sees the reality of the situation.

Utter hyperbole.
There is increasing evidence of the creep towards the messages peddled by Reform on here in recent months. It's absolutely clear what's happening.

And you have just highlighted in one single paragraph why I am right.

You haven’t engaged with a single issue I had written, just dismissed it as ‘hyperbole’ another classic leftie label and confirmed everything I just said! The irony of your post sooty.

@dappledgreyandwhite you'll get a lot of reasons why they're not doing that (using more of same)

But generally if public sentiment is changing why should mn continue to be dominated by one political view

@dappledgreyandwhite

There is thread after thread saying I have just found out my lovely grandfather voted Conservative, I will never speak to him again. I can’t forgive him etc.

It would be great if you could link to a few of these threads as I've never seen them.

Anyone that dares to voice their concerns about hundreds of male migrants moving in next to their children’s school are slammed as a ‘racist thug’.

Again, I've never seen this. What I have observed is the opposite. Thread after thread of people complaining about Muslims, 'boat people', rapist Muslims and illegal immigrants. There are threads on them nearly every day pretty much saying the same thing. To suggest you're somehow being silenced is surely a joke. Social media is awash with it.

You dare to state that we don’t have the housing or infrastructure to support millions of arrivals every year suddenly you are ‘far right’ !!

I don't think it's far right to have a conversation on immigration. I think it's racist to scapegoat brown men for every single problem in society.

The extreme language and silencing is most definitely coming from the left, and has been for years. And god help you if you had the audacity to vote with your conscience and voted for Brexit. Then the pack are really coming for you.

You haven't been silenced; repetitive threads on Muslims and immigrants are on here practically every day. Sometimes I've seen up to three threads running concurrently on it. That's not being silenced.

Brexit was a ridiculous idea. The consequences speak for themselves.

It’s bullying. It’s gas lighting. It silences the real debate that needs to happen BEFORE things do descend into more division or worse.

You seem to be projecting. All I see is a constant drip feed of vitriol towards 'the left'. If you look at this thread many posts are on how intolerant 'the left' are. Ironically there's a lot of guff about how there's no willingness to engage whilst offering nothing but insults.

We had riots last year, a mosque in London was attacked a couple of days ago and attacks against Muslims have gone up exponentially. We've had nothing but talk on 'Muslim rape gangs' for weeks. Yet you're talking about the 'debate' being silenced. The papers and social media are full of the 'debate'.

Division is being sown everyday.

Tens of millions are genuinely concerned like op. She is no more far right than she is far left. She is just someone that sees the reality of the situation

The reality is subjective. I don't agree with your reality. I don't think immigrants are to blame for the effects of austerity, lack of investment, our addiction to cheap foreign labour, the state of the home office and the inability of the police and other institutions to do their jobs.

So you're going to trot out insults like "classic leftie label"? Are you denying the shift towards promoting the Reform message which has been happening on the site for months?

The great thing about living in a democracy is being able to have the right to different views but also respecting that everyone has different views.

You are not spewing extremist and dangerous views although granted you are more towards the right.

And I'd be really interested to see links to numerous threads where someone has said they'll never speak to their lovely grandfather again because he voted Conservative.

Stating your terminology is straight out of the lefts handbook is NOT the same as calling someone a racist! Clearly.

I have not seen a huge surge of support for reform, but I have seen a lot of discontent because Labour have had such a terrible start. They are busy tanking the economy, doing nothing of substance to fix the immigration issues and have no intention of doing so. Their answer is to build on the green belt to house them all. The NHS is now in crisis, we are in a technical recession and things have incredibly become even worse.

So yes I would expect many voters to be looking to the right after this shit show. How far right is where we differ. It is to be expected,

The great thing about living in a democracy is being able to have the right to different views but also respecting that everyone has different views.

I think some are adamant mn remains for promoting Labour only

Just on numbers alone they're languishing with support, that'll be reflected on a public site

You were right here in July sooty, stop bloody lying, you know as well as I do the left were constantly saying they could t speak to their family and friends because they didn’t vote Labour. It was shocking.

You are at best centre right, or would have been seen as such 10-20 years ago. Saying far right in this context is just a label used to shut down reasonable questions and debate.

This.

I think your friend is being a bit of a twat. And I say this as a rabid lefty myself.

I think a problem with politics right now, is that there there used to be very sharp dividing line between the right and the far right. And a broad consensus amongst both left and right wing people that the far right is not acceptable.

You would have things like the SWP organising an anti fascist meeting and the local Tory MP would be invited to stand up and say (in effect) "Well I may be right wing but I'm the acceptable right. These BNP guys are beyond the pale"

The "no platforming" and "cancel culture" we see on the left can be understood as very destructive mission creep from this original strategy which was meant to politically isolate actual fascists. And crucially was achieved by involving the right.

Since then the Alt right has very successfully muddied the waters. (As is their strategy). On right wing podcasts you'll now get relative moderates like Jordon Peterson rubbing shoulders with out and out white nationalists. And it all looks looks like one thing from the outside. (And perhaps also from the inside!)

The left doesn't help by doubling down on the cancel culture and drawing a line against relatively moderate right wing voices as though they were actual fascists. People who previous generations of lefties would have invited into a "united front" against fascism.

To me, your friends comment that your views are "nazi coded" typifies this unhelpful way of thinking on the left.

She should be engaging with what you are actually saying, not this guilt by association shit. Especially as you are friends.

Provide some links rather than accusing fellow posters of lying.

It seems to me that there are so many posters listening to the Trump and Reform bullshit, and jumping on the bandwagon of slogans printed regularly in the Murdoch news about woke left, leftie this that and the other.
This is how it all starts, you know. They say a couple of things that sound right eg local doctors surgeries can't cope with the numbers in the area. Could this be because we are building too many new houses or maybe just maybe its because of the millions of 'illegal immigrants' descending on our shores. Wait a sec, could that really be the reason?? 10 minutes later it is all over twitter. Guys we have a problem this country is going to the dogs because of all the people jumping on small boats and getting into the county illegally.
Or worse, just look at what happened with those horrific murders. And now the narrative on that is look at two tier Keir putting all those lovely white people in prison because of simply posting on facebook.
If people cannot see how they are being manipulated, then the way is open for Reform, AfD, other right wing organisations to continue to manipulate and end up in power.
There is a huge part of me now actually wants Farage to get voted in so the world will be able to see his incompetence up close, Trump is back in and signing order after order, most of which will actually be illegal based on the constitution and amendments, but it is great for his supporters to see he is actually trying to do things like get Greenland, maybe Canada, and build that wall bigger and better to MAGA.
People need to understand the level of manipulation going on and how they are being taken in.

Far right has become a meaningless term, thrown at anyone who isn't an extremist of the left. My cousin called me far right (laughingly, she was trying unsuccessfully to pass it off as a joke) when I said that individuals with criminal records should never have been allowed into the country, either under immigration or seeking asylum. Its bonkers that statements like that should be seen as controversial. The lack is common sense is alarming.

The worst part is deep down I know my cousin and the rest of my relatives who were present and felt too awkward to comment, I know they agree really but they've been straight jacketed by this prevailing culture of having to be seen to be so incredibly kind all the time. I see 'be kind' for the weapon that it has become and I refuse to submit.

And this is exactly how the far right is rising.