Should the father of the 4 Hoath boys also be charged with manslaughter?

[Inkyblue123]

Just that really - he abandoned those 4 kids to the care of someone he knew had psychiatric problems and living in filth.once again the judicial system punished a women while overlooking the broader systematic failures and the responsibilities of others.
YANBU - he should stand trial
YABU - he’s not responsible for this tragedy

No, same father. He does have younger children as well with another woman.

@Fireangels I know about the friend she invented. But in a report I saw it says she went with a friend and it must be on CCTV? So I thought this was an actual person, separate from this 'jade'. If not then I presume it was bad reporting.

I’ve seen cctv footage of her in Sainsburys on the evening of the fire. She is alone.

The father is unlikely to win any parenting awards, but if social workers beleived the children were safe in the mothers care, then what is the father guilty of?

The pp was trying to equate leaving a child with a childminder with a dad (or mum) dumping the child(ren) on the other parent.

It isn't the same.

The fact remains they are his kids as well and it's not all on the mother.

And if he has even more kids, he's even more to blame.

He needs to keep it in his trousers.

However, with all those kids to keep it wouldn't be sensible to lock him up, he needs a job and to pay for the ones he's got left.

Unfair to comment on this without knowing all the facts. Social workers had closed the case should they be accountable?

I said exactly the same. She is clearly mentally ill, but was left to try and cope and couldn’t. Where was he and all the rest of the family

Speculation?

This guy had 7 kids under 4.

7 under 4 just taking that in....

Not sure that shows a great sense of responsibility.

Mum did wrong. Totally. Not arguing with that.

What???

The Judge stated she suffered domestic abuse. A totally distressing event all round. The step grandmother crying on tv hardly had anything to do with them. She has gone after the mother without looking at their own door and her step
son. Like people have mentioned before. All over her face book. Scummy family indeed.

Not sure that shows a great sense of responsibility
Again, assumptions. We don't know. He might have paid for all and seen his 4 eldest regularly.

Or not....but we don't know and assumptions remain just that. Let's not turn them into facts.

The father was not in the house all the same...

She was clearly struggling and had actually tried to get help.

It would be interesting to find out how many night time feeding or nappy changes this stud has done in the last seven years.

Legally responsible isn't the same as morally responsible.

I'd definitely say he was morally reaponsible.

Ridiculous question.

The judge did say the grand parents, great grandmother and the father were helping to care for the children.

I think if you choose to be the RP you have to accept the responsibility just like the NRP does when they have the child/children in their care.

You're right,it's easy to 'father'

I read she was on the phone chatting to a friend as she went shopping. Maybe that is the confusion?

Who has 4 kids and leaves them? If I had 4 kids that age I would not have coped. Lock him up as well.

Her health visitor was concerned but she retired a couple of months before the fire and no one else had picked up the case.

Social services knew about the conditions and they'd been in the house. The teacher said the kids were clean and well turned out. Maybe it wasn't as obvious as we might think.

I can not understand soc services allowing a woman with 'very complex psychiatric problems' to have residential care and responsibility for 4 small boys. I just can not understand it. They clearly had ongoing concerns about her over a significant period of time. Most people with good mental health and a stable relationship and support would find managing 4 small boys full-time a challenge.

The father sounds hopeless and feckless- 7 children under 4 is not the sign of a responsible adult- but he did not cause the fire that killed them. He did not leave them alone with a candle burning. She should be locked up for life- secure hospital or prison.