Should the father of the 4 Hoath boys also be charged with manslaughter?

[Inkyblue123]

Just that really - he abandoned those 4 kids to the care of someone he knew had psychiatric problems and living in filth.once again the judicial system punished a women while overlooking the broader systematic failures and the responsibilities of others.
YANBU - he should stand trial
YABU - he’s not responsible for this tragedy

She should've kept her knickers on.

That is a very good point re the McCanns, and also involved twins.

Of which she'll serve around 4.5 Im not arguing it should be more but that's not a lot for 4 child deaths.

Having read the sentencing remarks it's clear that the father was pretty fucking useless- far better at conceiving children than actually providing for them. He may not have killed his children but he's not the victim here.

Do women with experience of domestic abuse (which could very easily have been at the hands of her ex) tend to have as much of a choice about these things?

The bar removal is rightly high, unless abuse or neglect is extreme we know outcomes are better when a child remains with at least one biological parent. Children also aren’t taken to be put up for adoption, adoption is the absolute last resort, so firstly any member of the birth family they can find will be considered first, while this is going on the children will be in an emergency foster placement, due to their ages and the number of them it is almost guaranteed the sets of twins would be in different placements. Once no one is identified as able to provide care from the birth family fostering is the next step, again it is almost a guarantee the twins would be split up. The children would then have regular contact with their birth parents, this set up would continue unless a birth parent was deemed able to parent independently, or if after a very lengthy process it was decided they are never returning to the parents care. But that still doesn’t mean adoption, it will then be decided it adoption is beneficial, or if they’re better off remaining in foster care for the rest of their chidhood. In either scenario you’re not going to find a placement for all four children.

The other salient points here is that they were boys and they were black. They would not be sought after in adoption terms. And that’s how it is before anyone roasts me for pointing that out.

Yep, our was considered to be very difficult to place because he is a boy and he’s south asian. Where as our daughter wasn’t as due to girls being more likely to be adopted it is also more likely potential adopters wouldn’t mind her being south asian.

I feel compassion for her. She asked for help and it was not given.
She left the children alone and disaster happened - and she'll be punished.
The McCanns left their children alone and disaster happened - and they never had to answer for their actions.

I wonder why?
Race, wealth, education, 🤔😔

I wonder if Madeleine McCann hadn't been kidnapped, but a fire had taken hold, and all 3 of those children had been killed, the Portuguese would have prosecuted?
I think they would have done.

Same with Logan Mwangi's father. No interest in him when he was alive, all over the news weeping and fretting when he died.

Twice? They were two sets of twins.

She didn't want to kill her children.
She didn't want to harm her children.
She loved them.
She took pride in them.
She did the day-to-day care for 4 tiny children mostly on her own while living in poverty.
She managed to hold down a job for much of this time.
All while in ill health herself.

Her fault lay in making a huge error of judgment, while in sole care of her children which led to their deaths. The court made it clear that this error was so serious that she was criminally responsible.

It ought to have been possible for social services to work with someone like this to protect the kids properly. She was capable of being a good mother, wasn't abusive and wasn't abusing substances.

No- the children paid the ultimate price- they died.

And she has to live with that. I doubt any custodial sentence comes close to that.