Should the father of the 4 Hoath boys also be charged with manslaughter?

[Inkyblue123]

Just that really - he abandoned those 4 kids to the care of someone he knew had psychiatric problems and living in filth.once again the judicial system punished a women while overlooking the broader systematic failures and the responsibilities of others.
YANBU - he should stand trial
YABU - he’s not responsible for this tragedy

This 👆

The lesson is, be the first parent to dump your kids, leave the parent who steps up with 100% of the responsibility and 100% of the blame if anything goes wrong

He said I'm devastated but I've got to think of those left behind, which I thought was a wierd comment.

Apparently, she wouldn't let his family into the home. There is only one person responsible for the boys' deaths, and she's starting a 10 year sentence tonight.

Indeed.

And where was the Dad then at court?

Couldn't make it to the hearing?

He couldn't look at the photographers in the eye to make that statement himself.

Tragic case all round.

If I knew he was neglecting them, clearly struggling and still handed them over, then yes.

If he should have stood trial, I am sure the Director of Public Prosecutions would have arranged for it to have happened.

The useless bastard has blood on his hands, just like their so-called mother.
I hope the whole rotten family rot in hell.

.... Not surprised.....

7 children under 4 years old?

Enough said.

They can't but surely if he was involved enough he would have been aware of the conditions in the house from collection. If there were as described, the chances are that the children themselves were also not clean and looked after. They hadn't attended school for weeks. So he either knew there was an issue and did nothing which is neglect, or his own absence meant he didn't know the conditions his own children were living in, which is also neglect.

I can't help but feel if the roles were reversed, the responses would be very different

If a babysitter walked out on kids, they would be the one liable for manslaughter due to the danger they left the children in rather than the unfit mother.

I'm ok with charging non-contributing fathers for neglect though. If the cap fits, wear it.

I agree, I think it would break anyone. And although the father can't be prosecuted I absolutely think he shares responsibility for the children's death. He met a "dysfunction" woman with mental health issues, rapidly got her pregnant, and after she had twins got her pregnant again, then fucked off and left her high and dry with four babies so he could impregnate the next woman.

She couldn't cope, and his children certainly couldn't expect any help or protection from their father.

I don't think manslaughter really applies, but I do think that if the legal system were not so patriarchal we might have a crime of reckless abandonment of children that could be applied to absent parents who leave the other parent in an impossible position.

If a parent left a nanny in sole charge of their four toddlers 24/7 they would be breaking employment law and would be in the dock themselves.

Yes I think there's needs to be some responsibility on his part, however, she is the one who left so she should definitely stay in jail. I find it crazy that the government can enforce child support financially, but doesn't enforce shared physical care by both parents. This is how kids end up being abused, when 1 parent has the responsibility for all aspects of raising the child..

Why was there piles of excrement in bucket everywhere? Why weren’t the older children at school. Would she not have been entitled to nursery?
On another note why if she was tired was she lighting candles with small children.
It’s a horrible tragedy.

Sure. But the babysitter should call police/ social services to take the kids, not just walk off. As should a parent who realise they can't cope. First secure the safety of the kids, and then run away.

I just read about it, it seems she started to unravel during covid, being alone with the 4 boys under 4, she asked her Dr for help but there was no help for her. The dad could have stepped up massively, if you saw your ex partner struggling to the point where there is himan excrement across the floor in the house your children were living in, wouldnt you do something? What about the other family members too. A women unravels, asks for help and noone, no one person helps her as she tries to raise 2 sets of twins alone during a pandemic and she starts to make huge lapses in judgement, can't clean her house and ultimately her sons pay the highest price. It really is tragic.

She tried to ask for help. She didn't get any. It was during covid, she had complicated mental health issues no doubt exacerbated by four years of little sleep and parenting four toddlers alone during lockdown.

Dad is equally to blame.
I note that he and grandparents are vocal now. But it’s a bit too late! Where were they? Did they give mum a break?

From the sentencing remarks it sounds like her parents and the father's parents and grandparents did more to help than he did. Whether that was his choice or hers, who knows.

What's this about her being blind? I did read that she had problems with her eyesight which was deteriorating. But why? Sounds like she had physical health problems as well as MH ones!

Dosent mean the mother should go out and leave 4 kids alone.

How disgusting.

Shouldn't be heavily smoking in the house either.
It's just another sad and scummy story.
Poor boys.

If I'd walked out on them and not looked out for them and taken any interest then yes

And before they were 3 and 4 at some point they would have been 0 and 1....