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To think it's the education system timetable's fault, not my son's fault

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SamVussain · 24/01/2025 07:22

Parents evening last night.
Secondary school, year 8.
Every single subject teacher said exactly the same thing: "Sam loses focus half way or 3/4 way through a lesson, he works really well and he engages well and demonstrates good learning, but suddenly I see him staring out of the window for a few seconds and I have to say "Sam!" to get him back on to concentrating again!" Or "Sam applies himself then half way through the lesson loses focus and starts fiddling with his pen or rubber and I have to say "Sam! Concentrate!" and then he puts it down and starts concentrating again, but I shouldn't have to say it to him at all". Every one of them said "Intelligent boy, well behaved, polite, good knowledge levels, but loses focus at points during the lesson which he needs to stop doing, he needs to apply himself 100% throughout the lesson".
Lessons are either 50 minutes long or 100 minutes long.
By the time it got to the 4th subject teacher saying this, I started saying that there is scientific based evidence to prove that regular brain breaks are essential, that the brain needs to stop learning at regular intervals, take a brain break, then resume. From what I've read, time intervals vary, but some research suggests brain breaks are needed as often as every 20 minutes whilst studying. But this was dismissed by every teacher I said it to. I also said to one particular teacher that there is evidence to prove that 'fiddling' with something, moving the hand and fiddling with a small object, can really help some people to concentrate and apply themselves better. She said he sometimes fiddles with his rubber and that he needs to stop. I asked if it was disrupting any other pupils, or making a noise. She said no. I asked if it disrupted her. She said no, but that it meant to her that he wasn't focusing on the lesson if he was fiddling with his rubber. I asked if he fiddles with it all through the lesson, and she said "Oh no no no no no, not at all, no, just at some points for a short while". And I said "Well, that's alright then. Let him. It might be that it helps him focus". She then said if that was my opinion then I have to apply for "special permission from the SEN department to request for him to be allowed to fiddle."
DS is not diagnosed with any SEN. I'm very aware that innatentive ADHD could cause this. But equally, is it not just that my DS needs more regular brain breaks than what the school timetable allows for?
Why has my DS got to avoid occasionally fiddling with his rubber if it helps him to keep concentrating, and why has he got to avoid looking out of the window for 10 seconds if that helps him to give his brain a break before refocusing again at points during a 100 minute lesson?
I talked to DS about it afterwards, and he admitted that sometimes his brain starts feeling overloaded with information in the more difficult acadwmic lessons so he looks out of the window to relax his brain, then after a short time (10 seconds or so) he feels like he can refocus again and gets back on track. He attended with me, and he seemed to feel quite deflated that all the teachers of academic lessons said it. He said "Why don't they notice how much I am applying myself ".
Interestingly, none of the teachers of movement lessons said it - PE, DT, etc.
I'm feeling irritated this morning that every teacher of academic lessons said my DS needs to focus 100% throughout every lesson, yet the school timetable is not designed to allow regular brain breaks for children and instead expects them to study for long periods of time without any loss of concentration whatsoever.
I'm really interested to know other parents thoughts?

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Upstartled · 24/01/2025 09:57

How much short form content is he watching?

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Coatsoff42 · 24/01/2025 09:58

If your son is doing well in his tests, if the teachers are happy he is progressing well, if your son is happy having a little switch off every now and then, and if he’s not distracting anyone else, I would just let it go and leave it for the school to worry about.
What can you do anyway? You aren’t in the lesson with him and if hes like most year 8 boys whatever you say is in one ear and out the other. Save your energy for the bigger issues.
I was a bit of a day dreamer at school and I got great exam results.

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RBowmama · 24/01/2025 09:59

Parent's first priority should be advocating for their child, literally our job as parents. It's not as if the school are telling OP her DC is misbehaving, disrupting the class, being rude etc and OP is blaming the school. Child psychology is paramount and our job as parents to protect our children.

Drfosters · 24/01/2025 10:01

TidydeskTidymind · 24/01/2025 09:34

I hear you OP.

My son finds it easier to concentrate on what the teacher is saying during input if he doodles whilst listening.

He's not allowed to doodle.

Against school rules.

All eyes on the teacher at all times whilst they are talking. If you look away you are NOT listening and can get a detention if it happens 3 times in one 100 minute lesson.

Ludicrous.

That’s a shame- I doodled all over my books. I was constantly drawing whilst in lessons. I still do it at work in meetings

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 24/01/2025 10:03

Would stand up desks be better for a lot of kids. Obviously not for children with some physical disabilities.

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AttachmentFTW · 24/01/2025 10:13

I think you're getting some slightly harsh comment here OP. I think your sons teachers expectations are wild!

It's no wonder that ADHD diagnoses are through the roof when our children are expected to concentrate solidly for an 100 minutes, with absolutely no deviation, even for a few seconds. Human brains aren't built for that. I say this as a Clinical Psychologist. Our brains require short breaks (a few seconds to a few minutes depending on the activity and how long you've been doing it for) in order to process and consolidate information, move it from short term to long term memory, rehearse it, all that good stuff.

The person who said adults work for 8 hours a day solid with only a 20 min break is deluded. We all get up for short times to go to the loo, make drinks, look out the window, go to the printer etc

Whydoeseveryonewanttoargue · 24/01/2025 10:15

I am genuinely asking this question - not as a criticism of the OP or other children but more out of curiousity.

Is concentrating now more difficult than it was due to the proliferation of screens? My kids will play a video game longer than 40 minutes and won’t lose concentration, but such an activity is immediate, intense and ongoing….

OP is your kid maybe a bit bored?

Branleuse · 24/01/2025 10:16

I think you are looking at as a task you and your son have been told to achieve.
I don't think it's helpful to think of it as childs fault or schools fault.
I would be surprised in 100min lessons that the rest of the class were focused all the way through, but this is what the teachers are having to try and get them all to do.
I think that if they have suggested asking the senco if he can get authorization for brain breaks or a fiddle toy, then do that.

If he needs extra support to do this then you have to try and arrange that.

C152 · 24/01/2025 10:19

Is it a very strict school, op? They've got a very old-fashioned view of teaching if they've never heard of key communication concepts. If they've all expressed the same view though, you'll get nowhere complaining. I would take up their suggestion to speak to the SEN contact and have appropriate adaptations in place. They key is that your child doesn't let poor teaching techniques impact his learning.

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JandamiHash · 24/01/2025 10:21

I started saying that there is scientific based evidence to prove that regular brain breaks are essential, that the brain needs to stop learning at regular intervals, take a brain break, then resume. From what I've read, time intervals vary, but some research suggests brain breaks are needed as often as every 20 minutes whilst studying

Why didn’t you just say you’d have a chat about concentration? If all the teachers are telling you the same thing maybe it is your DS who’s the problem?

My DD is in year 7 and has the same concentration problem. I KNOW she can do better. She soon concentrates when she’s gaming or listening to people gossip. It would have been so much easier to accept what they were saying OP

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Bristolinfeb · 24/01/2025 10:29

50 min lesson will in reality be about 43 mins. If he can’t focus for that long in yr 8 and the teachers will be doing a range of different activities not just the same thing for 40 then some thing is going on.

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