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AIBU to be fed up with all the Keir Starmer threads

283 replies

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 22/01/2025 17:56

It's giving me flashbacks to 2016 when there were about 20 threads a day saying nonsense like, "AIBU to be concerned about the EU's plans to conscript everyone into an EU wide army?"

Just put a sock in it, already.

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SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 18:31

Monka · 23/01/2025 18:30

I agree. You know Starmer is doing something right because the red top media owned by Billionaires are coming hard and fast for him and Labour.

This!!!!

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 18:38

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 18:31

Nope back in the real world away from Tory bot filled Mumsnet I’ve yet to come across anybody not very relieved to have a Labour Party in power.

Just so we are crystal clear - are you calling me a bot?

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 18:41

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‘Tory bot filled Mumsnet‘

Your words - note your use of ‘bot’.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/01/2025 18:47

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 18:31

Nope back in the real world away from Tory bot filled Mumsnet I’ve yet to come across anybody not very relieved to have a Labour Party in power.

Is it insecurity or voters remorse that causes people to throw clearly nonsense statements around? Disagreeing with your point of view does not make one a ‘Tory bot’. Two thirds of the electorate didn’t vote for Labour, and public satisfaction is almost record lows.

It’s not credible, unless you have a very very small circle of friends / contacts, to not have come across anyone since the election who disagrees with your minority point of view.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/more-6-10-britons-dissatisfied-how-government-running-country

AgnesX · 23/01/2025 18:47

Anniedash · 22/01/2025 18:00

It tells you how unhappy people are with this bunch of morons who have stumbled into government. This country is finished. There wasn’t much left by the Tories anyway, but now it’s well and truly finished.

Well sod off and live in the US then.

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 18:49

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 18:28

Pure revisionism.

Starmer crept in because of the divisions in the Tory party. One rather suspects that many Labour voters are currently nursing a severe case of buyers remorse.

To be clear, which stables is Starmer cleaning? Presumably Reeves’s.

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What’s revisionist? Did the Tories not have four leaders in eight years? Were three of them not turned on by their own MPs? Starmer won because the country wanted rid of the Tories. Voters were sick of the lies, rubbish public services and the increasing gap between the richest and poorest in society. The stables that need cleaning are the ones the last government left knee deep in ordure.

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 18:50

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 18:49

What’s revisionist? Did the Tories not have four leaders in eight years? Were three of them not turned on by their own MPs? Starmer won because the country wanted rid of the Tories. Voters were sick of the lies, rubbish public services and the increasing gap between the richest and poorest in society. The stables that need cleaning are the ones the last government left knee deep in ordure.

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👏 Exactly this!

Sneezein3 · 23/01/2025 18:51

Ironic?

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 18:52

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/01/2025 18:47

Is it insecurity or voters remorse that causes people to throw clearly nonsense statements around? Disagreeing with your point of view does not make one a ‘Tory bot’. Two thirds of the electorate didn’t vote for Labour, and public satisfaction is almost record lows.

It’s not credible, unless you have a very very small circle of friends / contacts, to not have come across anyone since the election who disagrees with your minority point of view.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/more-6-10-britons-dissatisfied-how-government-running-country

Not referring to individual posters disagreeing with my point of view but most definitely referring to the laughable pro Tory and far right threads started daily in AIBU. Nice try!

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 18:56

Two thirds of the electorate didn’t vote for Labour

Clearly you somehow managed to miss GTTO. There was a huge amount of tactical voting to ensure we didn’t end up with yet another Conservative government. It worked brilliantly too.

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 18:58

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 18:49

What’s revisionist? Did the Tories not have four leaders in eight years? Were three of them not turned on by their own MPs? Starmer won because the country wanted rid of the Tories. Voters were sick of the lies, rubbish public services and the increasing gap between the richest and poorest in society. The stables that need cleaning are the ones the last government left knee deep in ordure.

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Be honest with yourself for a moment.

Do you really believe that, by increased taxation alone, there will be a material improvement in public services?

Do you really believe that improving ‘equality’ will drive better outcomes for the average person, and if so, how?

I find the notion, on both points, to be incredibly naive.

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 18:59

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 18:56

Two thirds of the electorate didn’t vote for Labour

Clearly you somehow managed to miss GTTO. There was a huge amount of tactical voting to ensure we didn’t end up with yet another Conservative government. It worked brilliantly too.

Erm, worked brilliantly? - that’s still playing out but its looking like an utter horlicks so far.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/01/2025 19:01

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 18:52

Not referring to individual posters disagreeing with my point of view but most definitely referring to the laughable pro Tory and far right threads started daily in AIBU. Nice try!

I think you’re misinterpreting threads questioning what are clearly poorly thought through or economically illiterate policies as being pro Tory, It’s perfectly possible, and indeed normal, to question the government without being a Tory supporter…

But your post lost all credibility when you said you hadn’t met anyone who wasn’t pleased the UK has a Labour government. More that 60% of the electorate are dissatisfied.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/more-6-10-britons-dissatisfied-how-government-running-country

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 19:02

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 18:59

Erm, worked brilliantly? - that’s still playing out but its looking like an utter horlicks so far.

Worked brilliantly as in getting rid of a corrupt government that wouldn’t recognise the truth if it smacked them over the head.

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 19:05

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 19:02

Worked brilliantly as in getting rid of a corrupt government that wouldn’t recognise the truth if it smacked them over the head.

Keep your powder dry - this total shower will not be in long.

My hope is that Reeves takes down Starmer with her.

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 19:06

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 19:05

Keep your powder dry - this total shower will not be in long.

My hope is that Reeves takes down Starmer with her.

Four and a half years. Huge majority. This government is going nowhere before 2029.

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 19:07

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/01/2025 19:01

I think you’re misinterpreting threads questioning what are clearly poorly thought through or economically illiterate policies as being pro Tory, It’s perfectly possible, and indeed normal, to question the government without being a Tory supporter…

But your post lost all credibility when you said you hadn’t met anyone who wasn’t pleased the UK has a Labour government. More that 60% of the electorate are dissatisfied.

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/more-6-10-britons-dissatisfied-how-government-running-country

Not when they’re saying the same drivel and bemoaning policy’s that clearly go against the Tory ideal. And as for economic illiterate policies look at your own party, there’s plenty there to whine about. Services don’t fund themselves particularly when they’ve been shamelessly run into the ground for 14 years. It’s going to be painful, get used to it.

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 19:08

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 19:05

Keep your powder dry - this total shower will not be in long.

My hope is that Reeves takes down Starmer with her.

Don’t hold your breath, the total shower that is the Tory party were tolerated for 14 years.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/01/2025 19:10

BIossomtoes · 23/01/2025 18:56

Two thirds of the electorate didn’t vote for Labour

Clearly you somehow managed to miss GTTO. There was a huge amount of tactical voting to ensure we didn’t end up with yet another Conservative government. It worked brilliantly too.

I’m not sure why you think I missed it. I was part of it 🤷. And yes, it means we didn’t have another conservative government. But I knew the risks of an alternative and, selfishly, knew that they were unlikely to really impact me. I feel sorry for those who thought that Labour had a clear, thought-through and coherent plan though. It now seems clear to many that they are making much of it up as they go along!

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/01/2025 19:12

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 19:08

Don’t hold your breath, the total shower that is the Tory party were tolerated for 14 years.

Say what you like about the tories, they are ruthless, generally, about getting rid of a poor leader. Labour on the other hand tolerate poor leaders for far too long. There has to be a better way, though looking at France, Germany, the US, Italy to name but a view I’m not so sure!

Macrodatarefiner · 23/01/2025 19:15

SandySh0re · 23/01/2025 18:31

This!!!!

Trump even more so with that logic 😑

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 19:23

‘Reeves to soften UK non-dom tax reforms’
FT et al.

Good girl!

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 19:24

Tryingtokeepgoing · 23/01/2025 19:12

Say what you like about the tories, they are ruthless, generally, about getting rid of a poor leader. Labour on the other hand tolerate poor leaders for far too long. There has to be a better way, though looking at France, Germany, the US, Italy to name but a view I’m not so sure!

True.

Remember Corbyn, during Labour’s anti-semitism implosion.

MyNameIsX · 23/01/2025 19:32

Reeves told an event hosted by the Wall Street Journal: "We have been listening to the concerns that have been raised by the non-dom community."

(But are completely happy to ignore the concerns of the ordinary UK electorate)

From the BBC’s comments section - that one has received, ooh, 1718 upticks so far.